• randycupertino 5 hours ago

    > they defrauded investors and lenders by fabricating "virtually all" of the now-bankrupt company's customer relationships and revenue.

    > According to the indictment, the defendants used forged sham contracts to make it seem that iLearning's customers were real, and used "round trip" transfers of investor and lender funds -- meaning they sent money to purported customers, who then returned it to iLearning -- to manufacture revenue.

    > At least 90% of iLearning's $421 million of reported revenue in 2023 was fabricated, the indictment said.

    > The company went public in April 2024, and its market value on the Nasdaq peaked at $1.5 billion before a prominent short-seller questioned its reported revenue.

    For the record the short sellers who blew up the fraud were Hindenburg Research. This is the second AI company they've discovered that is a scam, the other being Super Micro with their chip-selling scam: https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2026/03/20/super-mic...

    • darth_avocado 3 hours ago

      > used "round trip" transfers of investor and lender funds -- meaning they sent money to purported customers, who then returned it to iLearning -- to manufacture revenue.

      They should’ve instead “bought stake” in the customer companies and then asked them to use that money to buy their “product” like the normal trillion dollar companies do.

      • stevenwoo an hour ago

        This was kind of the scam in season four of Industry which was loosely based on Wirecard scandal. Obligatory New Yorker story: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/06/how-the-bigges...

        • wrqvrwvq 3 hours ago

          There is probably some phrase for describing this type of business activity. "If it's sophisticated it's actually legal" (no fault settlement). As a limited legalist this is actually the way it works and it's somewhat normal. A better lawyer provides better advice and steers company activity towards more defensible practice. If all the major ai players want to set money on fire for totally unmaintainable hobbies then so be it.

          • arikrahman 2 hours ago

            They should've asked their iLearningEngine AI to learn how to sophisticate their process.

        • protocolture an hour ago

          >Super Micro with their chip-selling scam

          "Scam"

          They sold chips to someone the government is mad at. Thats not really on the same level.

          • HWR_14 4 hours ago

            > "round trip" transfers of investor and lender funds -- meaning they sent money to purported customers, who then returned it to iLearning -

            I thought a lot of public, high profile, AI adjacent sales were seller financed or financed by the seller investing in the purchaser. Is that the same thing?

            • dualityoftapirs 3 hours ago

              I think the issue here isn't that they did seller financing but rather there was not an actual buyer at all.

              • delusional 2 hours ago

                No. If I sent you $100 you'd probably send that $100 back, since you didn't expect then and have no reason to accept money from me. If I now go to a third party and don't tell them about how I sent you money, I have a legitimate transfer receipt for you sending me $100.

                Its both a fraud on the third party, whom I have provided incomplete information. But also on you, who have become an unwitting accomlish in my scam, at least from the point of view of the third party.

              • cloudbonsai 2 hours ago

                There was a similar case in Japan recently: alt.ai

                This company purported to sell AI transcription service. Raised capital from notable local VCs. Did IPO in Oct 2023.

                It turned out that more than 90% of its sales were fake. The CXOs were arrested and the company was liquidated last month.

                Personally I never get the appeal of going public on fake sales. By design, the amount you need to fake grows bigger and bigger over time. So the collapse is inevitable.

                • threethirtytwo an hour ago

                  They take home a salary which they pay themselves and is very likely quite hefty.

                • walrus01 5 hours ago

                  Supermicro isn't an "AI company", it's a Taiwanese origin x86 server/industrial/embedded hardware manufacturer with roots that go back 30 years.

                  • ethanwillis 4 hours ago

                    Unfortunately, in 2026 even shoe companies are "AI companies"

                    • onemoresoop 3 hours ago

                      Half a decade ago they were all blockchain companies. Before that I don’t remember, what was the buzzword, big data?

                      • jordanb 3 hours ago

                        Extremely briefly: metaverse. But yeah before that big data and SaaS had quite a run.

                        • saghm 2 hours ago

                          "Cloud" for a bit too

                        • Esophagus4 2 hours ago

                          And before that, dot-com: https://www.forbes.com/2001/01/09/0109zapata.html

                          Some things will never change

                        • vrganj 4 hours ago

                          We will never learn our lesson. Humanity just keeps repeating the same mistakes. Remember Long Island Ice Tea / Blockchain?

                          • ares623 4 hours ago

                            A sucker is born everyday

                  • gnabgib 6 hours ago

                    iLearningEngines .. hindenburg did some research ILearningEngines: An AI SPAC with Artificial Partners and Artificial Revenue (2 years ago) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41390619

                    • shoo 4 hours ago

                      Hindenburg Research is great. They also did the Nikola expose (that bunch of shysters who claimed to have electric truck technology where their truck couldn't even move under its own power so they filmed it rolling down a gentle slope).

                      For anyone wanting to get into the weeds about detecting accounting fraud, the book "Financial Shenanigans" has lots of historical examples of ways company executives have cooked the books to make their public company financial statements appear more appealing to investors than they actually are.

                      • dmix 5 hours ago

                        Federal investigations always take forever.

                        • bandrami 4 hours ago

                          It's a real problem at this point. People still say "nobody went to jail for the GFC" even though over 200 people did in the US; it's just it took a decade and nobody actually paid attention a decade later when they went to jail.

                          • chollida1 2 hours ago

                            > It's a real problem at this point. People still say "nobody went to jail for the GFC" even though over 200 people did in the US; it's just it took a decade and nobody actually paid attention a decade later when they went to jail.

                            Did over 200 people in the US go to jail for the GFC? I just tried looking and I only see 1 person in the US. Iceland had about 25.

                            • dghlsakjg 3 hours ago

                              For a multi-trillion dollar fuckup involving an entire industry... that seems low.

                              • bandrami 3 hours ago

                                TARP still has active IGs; if you know of criminal activity they missed you can report it to them.

                                • vkou 3 hours ago

                                  The pain was multi-trillion, but the original fraud that caused the collapse wasn't.

                                • lupire 3 hours ago

                                  Fall guys.

                                  Highest Profile Individuals Convicted Kareem Serageldin (Credit Suisse): Widely recognized as the only high-level Wall Street executive to serve prison time directly related to the GFC.

                                  • bandrami 3 hours ago

                                    No that's still about a decade out of date. TARP jailed IIRC 30 bank CEOs, it's just the cases took until 2017 or so and the meme had already implanted itself in people's brains. DoJ got so tired of people saying this that they put a database of all their convictions up but unfortunately it got DOGEd last year.

                                    Many of the TARP convictions (the ones that involved the SEC) can still be found here, though:

                                    https://www.sec.gov/enforcement-litigation/litigation-releas...

                                    • dpkirchner 2 hours ago

                                      What about the fraud that led up to the GFC -- pre-TARP? I think that's what people meme about.

                                      • Esophagus4 2 hours ago

                                        Very cool website. Looking through a few of those examples, holy Jesus there is a lot of fraud out there.

                                        Fun read.

                              • yalogin 4 hours ago

                                Unfortunately there is a real chance they get pardoned or just their cars dropped for a small sum of 1-5 million dinner.

                                • onemoresoop 3 hours ago

                                  The unscrupulous in the white house will take your money (for a pardon) no matter what the crime.

                                  • burnt-resistor 2 hours ago

                                    No, no, no... money doesn't change hands directly. It's investment in the regime's crypto coin in the proper amount.

                                  • nickpinkston 4 hours ago

                                    Play with fire, and you get burned...

                                    These scams are all too frequent today, and putting these guys and others like them in prison would act as a deterrent.

                                    We'll see if our system can actually hold any white collar criminals accountable though...

                                    • jandrewrogers 4 hours ago

                                      A lot of these people do go to prison but know one pays attention long enough to notice.

                                      This same scam was common during the dotcom boom in the 1990s. A lot of people went to prison but every generation needs to learn this lesson the hard way apparently.

                                      • markdown 3 hours ago

                                        They couldn't buy pardons in the 90's like they can in 2026. Nobody is going to prison.

                                        • wrqvrwvq 3 hours ago

                                          great to insert partisan talking points here. the last admin has no culpability so this is a great argument. thanks.

                                    • b3ing an hour ago

                                      Pardon coming soon in 2027

                                      • mandeepj 5 hours ago

                                        Using the right channels, they can buy a pardon. Let's see how it unfolds.

                                        • da_chicken 4 hours ago

                                          No, that seems unlikely. They committed the cardinal sin of stealing from the rich.

                                          • dylan604 4 hours ago

                                            Also probably why SBF is yet to be pardoned

                                            • wj 4 hours ago

                                              He was a big supporter of the Democratic Party which would not necessarily lead to a pardon with the Republican administration.

                                              • zzrrt 3 hours ago

                                                Eric Adams is a Democratic politician, whom Trump's DOJ dropped charges for political favors from Adams. For the right bargain they don't even care about the party.

                                                • stingraycharles 3 hours ago

                                                  He supported both parties.

                                              • vkou 3 hours ago

                                                Trevor Milton received an unconditional pardon for his Nikola fraud last year.

                                                Trump has no problem selling pardons to people who stole from the rich. It's a big club, and he's open for business.

                                            • PedroBatista 4 hours ago

                                              It appears what really ended their little scam was the $421 million of reported revenue based on complete lies.

                                              Because lying to investors about product hasn't been really an issue lately, even Intel ~5 years ago did some presentations that were a complete fantasy back when they were desperate to keep their stock value but could not produce a chip smaller than 14nm.

                                              If they prosecute CEOs based on lies to investors other than accounting, almost all AI startups would go down.

                                              • ralph84 3 hours ago

                                                CEOs can say basically anything when it's talking about the future. They just have to include a safe harbor disclaimer about forward-looking statements.

                                              • bandrami 4 hours ago

                                                If they arrest everyone who does a wash transaction to generate the appearance of revenue there aren't going to be many founders left standing in 2026.

                                                • N_Lens an hour ago

                                                  When Armstrong's Tour de France doping was finally caught, the top 22 placed racers were all doping. It was the 23rd placed racer that was reportedly clean, and got the eventual first place.

                                                  • sharts 4 hours ago

                                                    amd that’s probably good

                                                  • hank808 2 hours ago

                                                    iLearningEngines? I guess we're all familiar with them and have thoughts and concerns about them. We don't. We're not.