• fyrn_ 8 minutes ago

    Worth calling out AI sentiment among young people is not nearly so rosy: https://news.gallup.com/poll/708224/gen-adoption-steady-skep...

    • amelius 2 hours ago

      Also nobody will ever have a moat, so the graph of investor stupidity is going through the roof.

      • aspenmartin 2 hours ago

        Of course they will. Tokens are valuable, you can always spend a finite budget on specialized tokens or fewer and higher quality tokens, size of user base and engagement gives you a flywheel moat that is difficult for newcomers to compete with. The market is complex and easy to oversimplify.

        • bryanrasmussen 2 hours ago

          My new startup tokencoin will blah blah blah exchange rate, (something AI writes here), 3. profit (more AI), benefiting all human kind and helping our users scale up their productive intelligence!

          • bryanlarsen 2 hours ago

            It's hard and complex to enter any mature market. The vast majority of firms that attempt to enter a new market fail. LLM's have no more than this normal moat.

            • aspenmartin 32 minutes ago

              Well yes that’s my point: AI does not suddenly do away with the market.

          • SilverElfin an hour ago

            Isn’t capital and momentum a moat? Sure Chinese models use distillation but I don’t see them training models from scratch. At least not today. But maybe as chips get cheaper and they have Chinese made ones?

            • swiftcoder an hour ago

              > Isn’t capital and momentum a moat?

              Apparently not much of one. There are, what, 5 or more companies with frontier models? And open weights models like MiniMax are snapping at their heels

              • Nevermark 23 minutes ago

                There are many markets where open source has been nipping at heels for a long time.

                Obviously product areas differ for reasons structural and happenstance. But there is definitely a pattern that occurs, where open source fast follows commercial advances, benefiting from having a clear target to develop for.

                Which is of course, a great service. Even if it never unseats the commercial version, it forces the owners to reinvest more in improvements, by undermining their moats. As well as providing a much better value alternative version for many people.

                • SilverElfin an hour ago

                  I’m not technically familiar but I remember someone saying that models like MiniMax basically skip the cost of training by using distillation to basically “steal” the models from OpenAI or Anthropic, and that these companies now have various defenses against this. What happens when MiniMax has to do the full work themselves?

                • bossyTeacher 38 minutes ago

                  >Chinese models use distillation but I don’t see them training models from scratch

                  Maybe because they don't have to. If someone is doing the heavy work and they can take output of that, it's a win for them.

              • hydrocomplete 2 hours ago

                I still don't understand the State of AI in 2026.

                • HelloMcFly an hour ago

                  Besides the lead in robotics for China, those Grok emissions charts are the thing that most leap off the page.

                  • xnx 36 minutes ago

                    "These estimates should be interpreted with caution. In the case of Grok, they rely heavily on inferred inputs drawn from public reporting"

                    That chart doesn't really pass the sniff test.

                  • cloud-oak an hour ago

                    > Training AI models can generate enormous carbon emissions

                    Sure, but what I'd really like to see is a graph for how much carbon is generated serving these models globally.

                    • xnx 39 minutes ago

                      The "China leads in robotics" seems to be unaffected by AI. The China line is basically on the same trajectory since 2012. The chart does no belong in the article.

                      • bix6 2 hours ago

                        China’s robotics lead holy cow.

                        • krona 30 minutes ago

                          The graph says "new industrial robots installed", which is a bit misleading. For example the newest BYD factories are still stuffed with German/Japanese robots.

                          • xnx 38 minutes ago

                            It striking, but says nothing about AI.

                            • alex43578 an hour ago

                              China’s manufacturing lead in a graph

                              • ranger_danger an hour ago

                                Don't they have ten times more people than the next highest country (Japan) though?

                                • Teever 25 minutes ago

                                  What's worse is that this the predictable result of a choice that America made decades ago and continues to make.

                                  Outsourcing manufacturing capacity to China and letting domestic manufacturing skills atrophy and institutional knowledge die out was a choice that many people opposed but were ultimately helpless to stop because the people making the decisions ignored them and did it anyways for personal gain is how we got here.

                                  You'd think that the supply chain shocks that we saw during COVID would be a wake up call that would have jolted people into action.

                                  You'd think that Ukraine-Russia war would have been a wake up call that would have jolted people into action.

                                  You'd think that the recent failures by the US military in Iran and the depletion of years of missile stockpiles would have been a wake up call that would have jolted people into action.

                                  I'm at a loss to explain it. It's like the American oligarchs want to weaken America, or at least are willing to do so if it means that they have greater control over it. Maybe they don't care about manufacturing capacity because they know that America is ultimately a nuclear protected island and that even if things continue to decline they'll be safe to rule it like a king?