• jakub_g 2 hours ago

    > In early December, a 35-year-old passenger from Tanzania was impressed to see that all the handles of the suitcases on the conveyor belt in the baggage claim area were facing the passengers.

    > After the luggage is unloaded and collected in the cargo handling area upon arrival at the airport, ground support personnel manually align the handles of the bags and place them on the conveyor belt.

    That's a level of attention to detail that we should be striving for in everything we build.

    • afavour 2 hours ago

      I think it also highlights something: better things are possible.

      Zero lost suitcases doesn't require magic to achieve. It just requires enough workers or enough time to make sure each worker is able to do their job successfully. Unfortunately financial and time constraints mean that very often there aren't enough workers or enough time, and some passengers suffer.

      • gmd63 an hour ago

        Also requires a culture of respect for the people who are handling baggage - an important thing lacking in parts of society in the US, where working fast food is used as a pejorative.

        • observationist 35 minutes ago

          The culture bit is the most important. You could add 100x the current headcount at all American airports and because the workers simply don't give a shit about doing good work, because they're treating it as a 9 to 5, where they have to go and suffer through a meaningless 8 hours, or worse, they treat it like their own personal access to other people's stuff to loot at will.

          The TSA is security theater, a vast majority of American jobs seem to be competence theater. You only ever tend to see care and craft in small business and actual crafts. It's so rare that it's incredibly refreshing to find anyone in any business that bothers to do good work and take care of the small things.

          It's not about respecting the baggage handlers. It's about a culture where you respect yourself such that you are obliged to do the best work you can, whether it's baggage handling, being a CEO, or flipping burgers. Self respect and respect for the job far outweigh any notion of employers or other citizens respecting baggage handlers. They have sophisticated notions of status and face and place in society that are sadly absent in American culture.

          You could take the Kansai airport baggage handler team and drop them into any airline in the world, and they'd perform to the same high standard. Take any halfass United Airline baggage team and drop them at Kansai and they'd be breaking guitars, killing dogs, and all the other usual shenanigans just like back at home, and they wouldn't give a flying rat's behind about how their employer respects them or not. They're there for paychecks. Respect doesn't even enter into consideration.

          • lostlogin 21 minutes ago

            > You could add 100x the current headcount at all American airports and because the workers simply don't give a shit about doing good work, because they're treating it as a 9 to 5, where they have to go and suffer through a meaningless 8 hours, or worse, they treat it like their own personal access to other people's stuff to loot at will.

            This places the blame solely on the workers. Their CEO earns a ludicrous multiple of their wage. They are treated like shit and are expendable. It’s a two way street, treat workers with respect and and you might get some respect from them.

            • gmd63 6 minutes ago

              Yep. The reason employees don't care about their work is that caring for their work is not valued. Box checkers and opportunists proliferate as loyal craftsmen get screwed over repeatedly.

              The hypothetical of dropping one baggage team into another airport doesn't make sense - each team was raised around a completely different society, one values celebrity and quick-buck scamming, one values planting trees that cast shade long after you're dead.

        • psadauskas an hour ago

          > financial and time constraints

          What a passive way to say executives kept a larger share of profits for themselves, forcing workers to be stressed and do a sub-optimal job.

          Its like the news reports that say "an officers weapon was discharged and someone died at the scene", rather than "a cop shot and killed a guy".

          • hodgesrm 41 minutes ago

            > What a passive way to say executives kept a larger share of profits for themselves, forcing workers to be stressed and do a sub-optimal job.

            This is a very limited view of why things don't work. The main issue in my experience is whether the company values the outcome and ensures focus on optimizing for it. That can include everything from adequate staffing to comp to training to management focus. (A lot of the last one.)

            You can spend a huge amount of money and still get a crappy outcome. US healthcare provides a rich field of examples.

          • ToucanLoucan an hour ago

            Oh why even mention time constraints, we all know damn well it's financial. Every corp on the face of the earth is constantly cost-cutting everything to the bone to justify more bonuses and higher executive compensation, while making sure the service or products provided are just barely good enough where people don't stage outright riots.

            In the sixties, the C-suite earned 21 times what the line worker did. In 2024 it's almost 300 times. So every single time you're dealing with a product that's been value-engineered to where it barely functions, or service people paid too little and empowered too little to actually help you, or stuck in a long ass line because they won't hire enough people, or stuck talking to some damn robot because people are expensive, it's beyond a safe bet that you have an executive or several to blame.

            • rectang an hour ago

              We should be spreading our cynicism over both management and customers. There is almost no level of service so terrible that people won't buy cheaper airline tickets. Let alone losing luggage, you could dial up the risk of death and people would still buy the cheaper tickets.

              • afavour an hour ago

                There's also something about the collapse in civility. Or... something. If you asked a plane full of passengers if they'd be happy to get their suitcase 5 minutes earlier even though it meant someone else lost theirs a lot of them would say yes.

                • psadauskas 41 minutes ago

                  I think we can lay the blame for this on the wealthy elites, too. When people see someone better off than them greedily destroying society for their own personal gain, they naturally think "well why not me, too?".

                • bombcar an hour ago

                  We need shame, really, societal shame that we inflict on those who have to take government benefits, perhaps. Flying an airline that's known to treat their employees like shit should cause the people at the cocktail to look at you strange.

                  (We kind of have something like this in that shopping at Costco is considered "good" but lots of people won't admit they shop at Walmart - I'm sure they'll be bankrupt soon given how many people don't shop there!)

                  • eudamoniac 13 minutes ago

                    Not sure if this is sarcasm, but Walmart earnings continue to rise. Being embarrassed to shop at Walmart is largely a coastal elite bubble situation.

                    For a more applicable example of shame, buying "cheap Chinese crap" is usually looked down on by all demographics or alignments.

                • jama211 an hour ago

                  Well not every one on the face of this earth as that’s where Kansai airport is located. It happens a lot in America and other places too but not everywhere

              • m3kw9 2 minutes ago

                real world user interface done right

                • gib444 an hour ago

                  First we need to get rid of greed and our current version of capitalism in the west. Everywhere there is a beancounter counting how much that little process costs, and a manager with ever increasing KPIs to be met lest they be fired

                  • rectang 35 minutes ago

                    In the airplane industry, KPIs and beancounting are just a response to a mindbendingly price-driven marketplace — to the extent that consumers need to be protected by regulations from flying in unsafe planes.

                    I agree that there's an issue about western capitalism, but I don't think it's in the tension between middle management and craftspeople who take pride in their work. I think the problems arise at a higher level, with the modern-day aristocracy of the capitalist ownership class and the slice of the pie that they capture.

                • EuanReid 2 hours ago

                  Headline's a bit misleading. They've never permanently lost a bag, and well done to them for that, but they've certainly lost them for periods of time. Just eventually found them.

                  • ghaff 2 hours ago

                    Permanent losses are pretty uncommon in general. Good for them for minimizing but having bags on the next flight or delayed for a couple/three days is way more common. Probably would have to be stolen which is rare, especially in Japan, I assume or end up in some weird location without a scan.

                    Was flying into Narita once and I had checked luggage in part because I was carrying an award for a Japanese customer. I was sort of given a "we'll get back to you sooner or later." At which point I explained the situation to a supervisor I think and was much fluttering around and got the bag the next day.

                    • bombcar an hour ago

                      Most of the "permanent losses" are because the passenger gives up or doesn't care terribly much - hence all the luggage at the airline outlet stores.

                      Most airlines do eventually find the bag, and if you kept in touch they'll usually even get it to where you are, even if you've since returned.

                      • ghaff an hour ago

                        I honestly have no idea how those dynamics work. At some point, the airline presumably pays, travel insurance does, or a combination of the two. At some point if it's just a bunch of old travel stuff, I guess I can see a customer shrugging, collecting the money, and dropping the whole thing.

                    • fsckboy 20 minutes ago

                      the article does not discuss what you are saying, do you have an alternative source that tells this true story?

                      • moufestaphio 2 hours ago

                        yeah, I've seen this being tossed around, but they definitely lost MY BAGS. Eventually I got them, but they were lost for 5 days or so.

                        • ghaff 2 hours ago

                          And that's not a permanent loss. It may screw up your trip to a greater or lesser degree but I try to build in buffers at least for a shorter delay when I can. I have also had a few multi-day delays--on of which just caught my guided hiking trip with like an hour to spare. And I had already bought a new duffle bag worth of stuff as best I could.

                          • moufestaphio an hour ago

                            I know it's not permanent. I'm just agreeing with OP that this is misleading.

                      • snowhale 2 hours ago

                        the airport-as-island design probably helps more than people realize -- single terminal, no inter-terminal baggage transfers, and being purpose-built means the baggage sorter was designed into the infrastructure rather than bolted on later. most major airports lose bags on intra-airport transfers between terminals, not on flights. kansai just... doesn't have that problem by construction.

                        • gramie 22 minutes ago

                          > doesn't have that problem by construction

                          Well no, but it does have other significant construction problems! https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/japans-20b-kansai-airport...

                          • teleforce 2 hours ago

                            >doesn't have that problem by construction.

                            Thanks, going to borrow your words there for my civil engineering friends.

                            • jerlam an hour ago

                              Except Kansai has two terminals, but it's possible that each terminal's baggage processing is handled independently.

                            • adrian_b 2 hours ago

                              When traveling to Japan, I did not have the slightest problem with lost baggage, either at airports, or with the Japanese services that allow you to send your baggage from one hotel to another, to be able to travel more lightly.

                              However, at the airport, when flying back home I had an unexpected experience. At my final destination, when I retrieved my checked baggage in the airport, it no longer had the padlock that it had at check in, in Japan.

                              I assume that this happened because at the airport, after check in, they have cut the padlock, to inspect the baggage. I also assume that the inspection was caused by a big kitchen knife that was in the baggage. The kitchen knife had been bought from a shop from Osaka, and it was well sealed inside the original package closed by the shop, but this would not be seen at an X-ray machine.

                              There was nothing else in the baggage that could be suspicious. In any case, if they inspected the baggage to check the knife, it was done carefully, and the content of the baggage was in the exact same positions as after packing.

                              • apetresc 25 minutes ago

                                Why would a knife be a problem in a checked bag, even if it hadn't been sealed in the original package?

                              • rectang 2 hours ago

                                Applying cost-cutting analysis as an intellectual exercise...

                                Airline ticket sales are so price driven that for much of the market, losing some percentage of bags won't change purchase decisions.

                                I wonder if it's possible to identify which bags are from budget customers and for Kansai Airport to cut corners for those, accepting a certain loss percentage and saving money. It may not be:

                                > In addition to monitoring bags with sensors, employees also patrol the area to check for dropped bags. According to the airport management company, this additional step significantly reduces the risk of lost baggage.

                                I think you either patrol for all dropped bags or give up the patrols entirely, assuming that bags from first-class and budget passengers end up in the same area.

                                • kseniamorph an hour ago

                                  Visited Kansai recently and a few things stood out. Passport control was fully automated: just scanned and walked through. Security flagged something in my bag and resolved it really fast without slowing down the line. It's a small thing, but it's the kind of operational detail that makes a real difference. My travel experience has never been smoother. Makes me wonder why more airports don't get this right.

                                  • sparkie 2 hours ago

                                    My luggage was missing when I landed at KIX.

                                    But it wasn't the airport's fault - my luggage was still in Amsterdam.

                                    Arrived <24 hours later and they delivered it to my hotel in Osaka.

                                    • ghaff 2 hours ago

                                      In my experience, that's far and away the most common scenario. Luggage misses a connection, doesn't get on a flight that has ben changed because of weather, or otherwise ends up somewhere it's not supposed to be. Many airline tracking systems are better than they used to be but AirTags or equivalent are not a bad idea.

                                      • lilytweed an hour ago

                                        I once had SAS lose my luggage on a direct flight from Copenhagen to Tokyo Haneda. I was sure that such a thing was impossible, but I learned an important lesson that day.

                                      • succo 2 hours ago

                                        They lost mine! but they found it and brought it to me 2 days later at my door on the other side of Japan. Mind blowing efficiency

                                        • Barbing 2 hours ago

                                          I wonder with which companies they partner for those deliveries. Maybe they went with Japan's biggest courier or well, I'm sure they don't do it in house...

                                        • dhosek 2 hours ago

                                          I feel like this is a challenge to me now. I will fly to and from your airport and you will lose my bag.

                                          • alex_suzuki 2 hours ago

                                            or at least i don’t want to see the goddamn handle, let me awkwardly turn my suitcase first!

                                          • aapoalas 2 hours ago

                                            I have very fond memories of Kansai airport. First time I went to Japan I ... Uhh, I didn't have a visa despite going there for exchange.

                                            The Kansai airport immigration office uttered a lot of "oohs" and "eehs", but they came through and in less than 45 minutes my appeal for deportation was accepted and I was granted a 1 year student visa. Always makes me happy when I pass through there :)

                                            • kylecazar 2 hours ago

                                              You showed up in Japan intending to stay for a year without a visa? Bold strategy :)

                                              • dathinab 2 hours ago

                                                Bold strategy :)

                                                I don't think this was their "strategy", but more like a "young people are sometimes clueless and fail to take care of necessary things with enough buffer ahead of time" situations.

                                                And that (student + exchange program + in general eligible for a visa) is why it turned out well. Not sure if it still would do so today. The "cheap yen" tourism boom might have brought in money, but also a lot of annoyance with unpleasant tourists amplified by how modern recommendation algorithms work (you see all the rage bait "a tourist behaved mean" and non "normal tourist is polite and does nothing strange") and various propaganda amplifying this. In general there seem to be a ton of "make cities look way worse wrt. safety and cleanliness and blame it on tourists/immigrants/minorities" videos across most western countries in recent times (not just JP, e.g. London has a lot of such nonsense, it's quite safe, but if you ask ticktock it's a lawless crime zone. ).

                                                • protonbob 2 hours ago

                                                  > Theft From the Person offences have a crime rate of 8.21 reports per 1,000 people in London, which is 4.69 times the national average. This figure is calculated from 87,224 crime reports logged by Metropolitan Police during the 12-month period ending November 2025.

                                                  https://crimerate.co.uk/london

                                                  That is more than Chicago.

                                                  > In June 2025, there were 631 reported incidents (23.2 per 100,000) – a 49% reduction from the August 2023 peak.

                                                  https://counciloncj.org/crime-in-chicago-what-you-need-to-kn...

                                                • aapoalas 2 hours ago

                                                  I may have not properly read the paper that said "This is not a visa, you should apply for a visa using this paper"...

                                                  • unscaled 2 hours ago

                                                    You probably had a CoE (Certificate of Eligibility to Reside in Japan, 在留資格認定証明書). This piece of paper needs to be taken to your local embassy or consulate and be converted to a visa there, which then gets stamped on your passport.

                                                    But Japan is working quite differently from other countries here, so you're probably not the first person to be confused, although I don't think any country issues a long-term visa that is not stamped on your passport.

                                              • lysace 2 hours ago

                                                I once flew with ANA to Tokyo/Haneda in First with a rewards-paid ticket for crazy cheap. When I got there and picked up my luggage there was a tag on it, asking me to go to some specific desk. I did. The luggage was a bit janky, but that happens.

                                                They very seriously apologized for breaking my bag. They asked me how much it had cost. I said "around $40, it was just something cheap". A minute later I was sort of ceremoniously handed an envelope with japanese yen notes worth that much.

                                                • adrian_b an hour ago

                                                  In Europe, the airlines have broken my checked baggage about 3 times, in places like Vienna, and those had been reasonably solid suitcases.

                                                  Obviously, nobody ever offered a compensation.

                                                  There is no wonder that such things happen, because at many airports I have seen how the baggage handlers throw the baggage through the air into the vehicles that carry the baggage to the airplanes, even over a distance of a few meters, instead of depositing it gently into the vehicle. Therefore I never put anything fragile in a checked baggage.

                                                • arvindkumarc 2 hours ago

                                                  How is this stat even useful?

                                                  • amiga386 2 hours ago

                                                    It sets a verified lower bound on baggage loss. An achieveable ideal that other airports should aspire to.

                                                    Lots of orgs claim to aspire to 5 nines of uptime but can barely manage 2 nines. Kansai airport with an average of about 17 million pax/yr [0] hasn't lost any luggage. Losing one item out of, say, 10 million items a year, would be 7 nines.

                                                    [0] https://www.kansai-airports.co.jp/en/business/in-figures/