• jkubicek 5 hours ago

    I'm not sure if I'm the one to blame for this or not, but the earliest reference to ".gitkeep" I can find online is my 2010 answer on Stack Overflow: https://stackoverflow.com/a/4250082/28422

    If this is all my fault, I'm sorry.

    • selridge 5 hours ago

      This is delightful. Accidental load-bearing SO post.

      • jkubicek 4 hours ago

        It's especially funny since my answer is wrong anyway! The other top answer is much better. I did get a lot of early SO brownie points from that one answer though.

        • juggerl6 3 hours ago

          Thankfully AI has put an end to the scourge of confidently-wrong SO hallucinations.

          • adastra22 2 hours ago

            Well, Claude is here making .gitkeep files like nobody's business.

    • Arrowmaster 5 hours ago

      The author makes a very common mistake of not reading the very first line of the documentation for .gitignore.

        A gitignore file specifies intentionally untracked files that Git should ignore. Files already tracked by Git are not affected; see the NOTES below for details.
      
      You should never be putting "!.gitignore" in .gitignore. Just do `echo "*" > .gitignore; git add -f .gitignore`. Once a file is tracked any changes to it will be tracked without needing to use --force with git add.
      • BlackFly 14 minutes ago

        The point of that line is to robustly survive a rename of the directory which won't be automatically tracked without that line. You have to read between the lines to see this: they complain about this problem with .gitkeep files.

        • ekipan 5 hours ago

          Yeah, this. Plus a mistake from the article:

            $ echo '*\n!.gitignore' > build/.gitignore
          
          The \n won't be interpreted specially by echo unless it gets the -e option.

          Personally if I need a build directory I just have it mkdir itself in my Makefile and rm -rf it in `make clean`. With the article's scheme this would cause `git status` noise that a `/build/` line in a root .gitignore wouldn't. I'm not really sure there's a good tradeoff there.

          • Aaron2222 25 minutes ago

            > The \n won't be interpreted specially by echo unless it gets the -e option.

            Author's probably using Zsh, which interprets them by default.

          • AgentME 5 hours ago

            If you have a project template or a tool that otherwise sets up a project but leaves it in the user's hands to create a git repo for it or commit the project into an existing repo, then it would be better for it to create a self-excepting .gitignore file than to have to instruct the user on special git commands to use later.

            • smrq 3 hours ago

              Why is this approach better than the author's?

              • nebezb an hour ago

                This is functionally the same. What do you mean by “you should never”? According to who?

                What an arrogant take. This is preference. Don’t mistake it for correctness.

              • dmarinus 8 minutes ago

                if possible you can also just create directories if they don't exist (ie. mkdir -p) and just exclude it in your root .gitignore (ie. ignore all build directories). That would safe you from creating multiple .gitignore files.

                • GreenDolphinSys 3 hours ago

                  .gitkeep is intuitive and easy to understand. Unignoring a .gitignore is not intuitive. This falls squarely into "clever optimization tricks that obscure intent and readability". Don't do things like this.

                  It's not that hard to update a .gitignore file every now and then.

                  • beej71 3 hours ago

                    What am I missing about this use case? It seems like you should just create `build/.gitignore` with `*` in it and `add -f` it and be done.

                    I'd use `.gitkeep` (or an empty `.gitignore`) if I needed to commit an otherwise-empty hierarchy. But if I'm going to have a `.gitignore` in there anyway, it's not empty.

                    > The directory is now “tracked” with a single, standard file that will work even after renames.

                    Does `.gitkeep` not work after renames? Or `.gitignore`?

                    So I am missing something. :)

                    • KPGv2 2 hours ago

                      That's a hack. What you should do is a .gitignore with * and then a whitelist of paths like src/**/*.

                      If you rely on `add -f` you will forget to commit something important.

                      For example, for a tree sitter grammar I developed a couple years ago, here is my .gitignore:

                      ```

                      # Ignore everything

                      *

                      # Top-level whitelist

                      CHANGELOG.md

                      # Allow git to see inside subdirectories

                      !*/

                      # Whitelist the grammar and tests

                      !/grammar/*.js

                      !/test/corpus/*.txt

                      # Whitelist any grammar and tests in subdirectories

                      !/grammar/**/*.js

                      !/test/corpus/**/*.txt

                      ```*

                    • cortesoft 6 hours ago

                      Not sure why you can’t just have your build script create the build directory?

                      • andybak 6 hours ago

                        Because you might not have a build script?

                        • cortesoft 2 hours ago

                          Then how is anything ending up in the build directory?

                          • drdec 4 hours ago

                            Then why do you need a build directory?

                            • himata4113 4 hours ago

                              qemu: mkdir build; cd build; ../configure, some projects are like that

                        • Kuraj 4 hours ago

                          If you need to do this, I think .gitkeep communicates intent better. You don't need to document it or risk it being removed as thought to be a left over.

                          • 8cvor6j844qw_d6 5 hours ago

                            Is .gitkeep an established convention somewhere? I'm curious where the name originated.

                          • OptionOfT 3 hours ago

                            For me, I put them in directories that have to be there, because the underlying code doesn't create the directory, and without it, it fails.

                            Another example is where you want an empty directory mounted in Docker. If the directory is not there it is created with root permissions and then I can't even look into it.

                            • yjftsjthsd-h 6 hours ago

                              I'm confused. Having a file gitignored doesn't stop you from committing it; AFAIK you can just

                                touch build/.gitkeep
                                git add build/.gitkeep
                                git commit build/.gitkeep
                              
                              And that's it? There's no need to exclude anything.
                              • williadc 6 hours ago

                                The idea is that you don't want to check-in any builds.

                                • yjftsjthsd-h 6 hours ago

                                  Sure, so gitignore build/ or whatever. But you don't need to unignore .gitkeep

                                  • akerl_ 5 hours ago

                                    The idea is that instead of adding a nonsense file, you use the native .gitignore functionality.

                                    ".gitkeep" is just a human thing; it would work the same if you called it ".blahblah".

                                    So their pitch is that if you want to explicitly keep the existence of the directory as a committed part of the repo, you're better off using the actual .gitignore functionality to check in the .gitignore file but ignore anything else in the directory.

                                    I don't find it amazingly compelling; .gitkeep isn't breaking anything.

                                    • dwattttt 5 hours ago

                                      This still confuses me. Do you mean to say "use the .gitignore functionality, and check in the .gitkeep file"?

                                      • akerl_ 4 hours ago

                                        No. Use a .gitignore instead of .gitkeep. Instead of checking in build/.gitkeep, check in build/.gitignore.

                            • kderbyma 3 hours ago

                              Arent Gitkeep files specifically for empty folders that are intended to be there?

                              That is what I have always used them for....

                              • suralind 6 hours ago

                                I want to like it, but I pretty much always have a "cleanup" script that just deletes the entire directory and touches a .gitkeep file. Obviously an even better pattern is to not have any .gitkeep files, but sometimes they are just handy.

                                • macote 6 hours ago

                                  The author is misusing .gitkeep. I use it to keep source code folders that don’t contain any code yet, but whose structure is already defined.

                                  • xyzzy_plugh 6 hours ago

                                    Truly, what purpose does this serve? Defining a hierarchy without using is injecting immediate debt. Just introduce it when stuff goes there! If you really insist then at least put something in the folder. It doesn't take much effort to make the change at least a tiny bit meaningful.

                                    Better yet just do the work. If you want make a commit in a branch that's destined to be squashed or something, sure, but keep it away from the shared history and certainly remove it when it's not needed anymore.

                                    • abustamam 5 hours ago

                                      I play around with ComfyUI on my computer to make silly images.

                                      To manually install it, you must clone the repo. Then you have to download models into the right place. Where's the right place? Well, there's an empty directory called models. They go in there.

                                      IMO that's an effective use of gitkeep.

                                      • akoboldfrying 5 hours ago

                                        > Truly, what purpose does this serve?

                                        The simplest answer is that sometimes other existing software that I need to use treats an empty directory (or, hopefully, a directory containing just an irrelevant file like .gitkeep) differently from an absent directory, and I want that software to behave in the first way instead of the second.

                                        A more thorough answer would be: Filesystems can represent empty directories, so a technology that supports versioned filesystems should be able to as well. And if that technology can't quite support fully versioned filesystems -- perhaps because it was never designed with that goal in mind -- but can nevertheless support them well enough to cover a huge number of use cases that people actually have, then massaging it a bit to handle those rough edges still makes sense.

                                      • CGamesPlay 3 hours ago

                                        You can rename `.gitkeep` to `.gitignore` and both be happy in that case.

                                      • cyberrock 2 hours ago

                                        File filtering is so delightfully broken everywhere. Everytime I revisit git, rsync, restic, borg, etc. something just goes wrong somewhere on this seemingly simple task, and SO and thus LLMs are filled to the brim with slightly wrong answers. We need a xkcd/927 because it can't possibly get any worse.

                                        • peter-m80 6 hours ago

                                          No, thanks