• mitchbob a day ago
    • tsoukase 7 hours ago

      Well, I dare to say my belief. The whole setup of the last 15 years and publication frenzy after the (obvious) murder of JE, is pushed as agenda of the Secret Western World government to keep the leaders as hostages. Their is a legal gun pointing on their head and if they don't comply, it will fire. Else, they will never be touched.

      • timcobb a day ago

        I can't even imagine being such a prolific emailer, even just one liners. Damn

        • lnsru a day ago

          Have about 20 emails daily, 6000 a year… obviously for 1.4 million emails more than one person is needed. And much more than one when I see all the other activities day and night going on in parallel.

          • tbossanova a day ago

            Right? Obviously didn’t have enough real work to do. Idle hands make… idk, you just chill out if you don’t like rape

            • dboreham a day ago

              That was his real work. He's a social network for the davos crowd.

          • OgsyedIE a day ago

            Jack Blanchard in the Politico podcast (almost as good as Odd Lots if you're fine with listening to stuff at 2x speed on commutes) remarked that one of the most important aspects of the response to the publicization of the first 2% of the Epstein Files is that it may be a watershed moment where the better parts of citizen journalism have become completely competitive with institutional journalism, due heavily to the faster turnaround times of the former.

            It's hard to see conventional pipelines doing a faster job of parsing scattered mentions of rare phrases like 'jerky' across a million documents than the competitive environment of individual entrepreneurialism could.

            • RajT88 a day ago

              The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well. I had to tell a friend of mine to take a break from it.

              The level of tinfoil hat theories (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth off of which to build more theories is really something. The unfortunate thing is - in our current environment, the crazy speculation and knowingly dealing in just shit you made up seems to actually pay off when pressuring public officials.

              I am glad the files were released. A lot of people have a lot of explaining to do. I don't actually think this ends up going anywhere, but we'll see.

              • polotics 17 hours ago

                Yes, and... the 330 gallons of sulphuric acid did come as a surprise to me.

                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15545409/330-gallon...

                Half of the files were released, and instead of the congress mandated removal of victim names, perpetrators were blanked out.

                • polotics 11 hours ago

                  Also btw just in case: This volume could provide approximately 2,600 to 3,500 individual pH adjustments for a 15,000-gallon pool. The main pool-house on the island has about 20'000 gallons of certainly-clean water in it, as far as I can reckon. The hypothesis for the other option: a complete acid wash of the pools, implies approximately 22 to 33 average-sized residential pools were to be washed that day, a dangerous process requiring a professional staff, that stuff is nasty. You do not want to scrub your pool every day, week, or month, you will need to redo the whole surfacing soon enough after a few scrubs. You also do not want that super dangerous liquid in large quantities around to save on bulk-purchase costs, storage and safety make this a no go as far as cost-savings are concerned. No trace of contracts with pro pool cleaners coming for a scrub in the files, but I did not look hard. This is a cop's job. The theory that Sulphuric acid would have been used for cocaine production also does not pass muster: you would need to have a large quantity of raw leafs on ships inbound to the island for that volume, and some serious breaking-bad type setup there. This kind of dangerous activity is best done far away from billionaires enjoying the final product. Good luck asking your friendly SOTA LLM any questions of the form: "how many gallons of sulphuric acid to fully dissolve 40 kg of organic matter?"

                  Приятных снов y'all

                  • eMPee584 2 hours ago

                    > can’t help with anything involving harming an animal or figuring out how to destroy a body.

                • strictnein a day ago

                  > The amount of breathless conclusion jumping from citizen journalists has been completely bananas as well.

                  I saw a video on Instagram claiming (or at least insinuating) that Epstein had access to all of Lifetouch's photos, because "the company is in the Epstein files!". Turns out, it was a single line item for $109 in what looked like banking records. In comparison, that same selection of files mentioned Whole Foods ~250 times.

                  For those outside the US, Lifetouch does school photos for about half the schools in the US (or something like that) so you can understand how that's a thread that conspiracy theorists can pull on. But there's nothing there. Just a single payment to the company in a sea of thousands and thousands of normal, every day purchases.

                  • dash2 a day ago

                    This, and also a lot of antisemitism seems to have been enabled.

                    • fromMars 21 hours ago

                      Not shocking that this is downvoted around here. On X and the amount of anti-semitic content this is fueling is scary.

                      As a Jewish person, I can't help feel that the magnitude of the outrage is because Epstein and quite a few of his associates were rich Jews.

                      Not to downplay what they did as it was horrible, but I don't recall similar levels of outrage about all the scandals in the Catholic Church.

                      Epstein isn't the first person to be involved in sex trafficking. Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is basically legal in most European countries with the age of consent at 15 and even 14 in some cases.

                      It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral.

                      • asdff 21 hours ago

                        >It's hard not to feel like a lot of people want to paint a picture that Jews are especially depraved and amoral.

                        That is because it is true, a lot of people do want to paint all Jews like that. People would probably find the catholic church stuff even juicier if the vatican was running an intelligence agency that brokers with most other western intelligence agencies with these same rapists.

                        The thing with Epstein is that he really seems heavily connected to intelligence. Maxwells dad is alleged to be a Mossad agent. There are pictures of him in meetings in his office with a map of Israel, gaza, and the west bank on the wall. There are FBI documents that allege epstein himself was at least at one point a Mossad agent.

                        So you have this compelling israeli intelligence angle. The fact that global elites genuinely partied with this man. All the history of the case from the sweetheart plea deal in 2007 that stopped the federal investigation at the time in its tracks and granted immunity for potentially involved parties, the fact he was never actually convicted before he died (even that is suspect), the fact that outside Maxwell no one has been arrested.

                        I mean it really quacks like a tin foil hat global elite conspiracy. That is what makes this story so damn juicy and compelling. It isn't just a couple priests getting their rocks off with some alter boys, but an entire systematic thing where its looking like this guy was not only trafficking girls but running some sort of Bene Gesserit esque breeding program impregnating teenagers he thought had good genetic traits.

                        You couldn't even write this stuff into a movie it is so wild and hardly believable if it wasn't coming from DOJ evidence respositories.

                        • dash2 19 hours ago

                          Yeah, but 2 things can both be true:

                          1 The Epstein story has an interesting Mossad angle, maybe they contacted him or even paid him

                          2 Lunatic antisemites (and probably many bots) are overrunning the internet with medieval-style antisemitism in which Epstein is still alive, babies were eaten, etc.

                        • Hikikomori 21 minutes ago

                          >Not to downplay

                          Yet you go on to victim card yourself.

                          • RajT88 12 hours ago

                            I am not Jewish, and must be lucky to hang out in the parts of the internet where I haven't seen it. (Except for Breitbart comments - I pop in there when I want to know the subtext of what right wing politicians are saying. There's plenty of anti-semitism there.)

                            > Every big city in the world has it and it is even legal in some countries, not to mention that Pedophilia as the term is being used in the Epstein case is basically legal in most European countries with the age of consent at 15 and even 14 in some cases.

                            I have no interest in dying on this hill, but there's 3 different technical terms which describe distinct kinds of attraction people have to children in relation to puberty, and that term does not describe 14-15 year olds. For whatever that is worth, with regards to the legality in parts of Europe indeed age of consent can vary widely across nations, and even states within nations. But let's be clear - what Epstein did was illegal even if it was done to adults. That's human trafficking.

                            • fromMars 11 hours ago

                              I am not trying to rehabilitate Epstein. He was a vile and disgusting sex trafficker, rapist, pedophile, whatever you want to call him. I am all for going after anyone else who can be proven to be involved.

                              He is also dead. I just don't think there was anything particularly exceptional/unique about him as a story other than his wealth as human trafficking is a global problem.

                              • krapp 11 hours ago

                                You aren't taking into account all of the effort the Republicans spent ginning up conspiracy theories about Satanic pedophile cults within the Democratic Party and how Trump's base made that and "releasing the Epstein files" their entire identity, or the absolute clownshow debacle of the Trump administration trying to stall, prevaricate and memory-hole the entire thing after it became clear how implicated Trump himself was.

                                Also the number of celebrities and powerful people (including the sitting President) involved makes it a bigger story.

                                That said, yes the antisemites have come out in force around this, just as they did around Palestinian activism, and just as they always do. But I think most people's outrage is focused on systems of privilege and power and on the Trump administration in particular, not anything about "the Jews."

                                • fromMars 10 hours ago

                                  Thanks for the perspective. It could be that I am being overly sensitive to the discourse around this.

                                  As someone who avoids forums where these ideas are promoted, it's hard to know when people are talking about things like "Satanic cults" whether that is some code word for Jews.

                                  • krapp 10 hours ago

                                    > it's hard to know when people are talking about things like "Satanic cults" whether that is some code word for Jews.

                                    That came straight out of /pol/ so it definitely was, although I suspect that as with "cultural Marxism" it got diffused enough within the right wing that the antisemitism got obscured for most people, but the roots are still there. Trump tweeted this image of Hillary Clinton in 2016, after all[0].

                                    But I think that it's important not to mistake online discourse for societal norms. All of that is intentionally engineered by social media platforms and political interests to maximize the effect of radicalism and extremism, and Twitter explicitly for right-wing ends. I think in the real world, most people don't fall in for that sort of thing.

                                    [0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/02/donald-trump...

                        • jrflowers a day ago

                          > (example: cannibalism) which people are now taking as the truth

                          I haven’t seen any indication of “people that didn’t previously believe in cannibal elites now believe in cannibal elites after reading the emails” being a phenomenon that actually exists.

                          I’ve yet to interact with anyone that has seriously said “I didn’t believe they ate babies on Tuesday but it is Thursday and now I believe they were eating babies.” but people are posting like that’s a thing that happens frequently now. It’s almost like the tinfoil hat theory I’ve seen the most isn’t “pedophile cannibals” but rather “reading the emails will make you go crazy and start believing in cannibal pedophiles” like they are an actual real-life Lovecraftian hazard, which is a much more outlandish idea than… kooks and hucksters continuing to be kooks and hucksters.

                          • RajT88 12 hours ago

                            If it helps explain where my comment was coming from, my friend I advised to take a break from the files was neck deep in every single new speculation because he himself was a survivor of CSA. He sent me a lot of stuff and was on the "believing in cannibal pedophiles" track for sure, and by the videos I was sent, lots of other people are on that track too.

                            It was especially bad for his mental health, all of these new speculative theories.

                            • jrflowers 6 hours ago

                              I don’t doubt that. I’ve read a lot of the emails, had to tap out myself, and seen a lot of people tap out as well. What I haven’t seen is some sort of contagion where the cannibalism stuff is all of a sudden being embraced by a new group of people. It’s pretty much just been people that have had the Clinton’s adrenochrome theories and blood libel etc. in the stuff they that they read for a while that are talking about it.

                              I’ll put it this way: if somebody believes that it is more likely that people were eating babies than the fact that it’s actually somewhat common to refrigerate beef jerky, it’s because they’ve already been primed to think that way; there are several leaps in belief that have to take place before that becomes an even acceptable notion to consider let alone something to earnestly take as gospel.

                              I’ve seen 20x more people have to stop after reading about Leon Black than the cannibalism/“he’s still alive” stuff (because there aren’t actually that many people that believe in cannibal elites, they’re just very vocal). Heck, I’ve seen quite a few more people have to step back after reading about Epstein funding the bitcoin devs than after reading the more kook stuff. If there’s any sort of general “hazard” in the emails it’s not the things that aren’t true, it’s the things that are.

                            • anechouapechou 14 hours ago
                              • jrflowers 7 hours ago

                                I have read the jerky emails, and watched a long discussion of them between a bunch of folks, and I still don’t know a single person that went from not believing in cannibals to believing in cannibals.

                                The range of responses I ultimately saw was “this proves my existing belief that they were eating babies” to “wow that guy’s colon must’ve been a disaster”. The “I already believed they were eating babies” crowd lost a lot of steam and went quiet as soon as someone pointed out that there are several reasons why people refrigerate jerky (high-fat jerky, lack of nitrites in the recipe, humid conditions, etc.)

                          • siavosh a day ago

                            There’s also a lot of self censorship happening in the mass media.

                            • aorloff a day ago

                              and a lot of actual censorship

                              jimmy kimmel didn't self censor himself off the air

                              • lyu07282 a day ago

                                For example the Israel connection, for obvious reasons but you get censored/flagged here too if you mention that part ofc

                                https://www.dropsitenews.com/s/epstein-and-israel

                              • kevin_thibedeau a day ago

                                Institutional journalism has done everything in its power to kill this story for 7 years. You don't need a fast turnaround time when the fourth estate is also busy protecting the wealthy. Note how we have all the goods on Matt Gaetz and everyone just conveniently forgot about him because daddy knows who to buy off. DOJ has all the time to pursue rinky dink charges against Letitia James for what would be at best a losing civil case by her lender but we can't go after a known sex trafficker with good connections.

                                • orwin 18 hours ago

                                  Journalists have been on it from a long time ago. It's a Florida journalist who managed to 'get' Epstein.

                                  The issue is that the line between 'opinionist' and 'reporter' journalists is blurred, while the difference between an investigative journalist and reporter journalist grow. I think it's due to a bigger personification of reporters (they are now filmed doing stuff, involving themselves instead of listening and taking notes/pictures in the background). The profession is split in two. And for sure, on part of the split seems to have sided with opinionist (mostly in televised media. Somehow written journalism is still good)

                                  • dboreham a day ago

                                    All that stuff about rule of law and exceptionalism was just freedom theater.

                                    • maybelsyrup a day ago

                                      The degree to which this is true is I think still underestimated, and comments like these need more upvotes.

                                      You don’t need to appeal to shadowy cabals to explain why media professionals have been desperate for this stuff to not be true (and why, every day these days, you can still read examples of them absolutely writhing as they are obliged by public outrage to continue to report on it).

                                      All you really need is to remember that a) they have mortgages to pay, too, so why rock the boat, and b) the people who end up writing for the WSJ and the people who end up in Jeffrey’s rolodex are by and large the same class of people. They went to the same colleges, they consume similar culture and media, they play the same games of keep up with the joneses, they read the Economist on their days off and fret over Gen Z slang and wonder whether the Chase card or the Amex will get them enough airline miles to fly to London for free with their spouse etc etc. They recognize themselves in the “Epstein class” — not in their crimes, but in their manners. So why would they be party to showing the world that class is so profoundly rotten? It’d give the lie to their whole lifestyle.

                                      (And yes, to anticipate a critique here, of course there’s a difference between a producer at NBC and a billionaire! Not denying that. But they are cut from the exact same cultural and social cloth. The best proof of this is in the Epstein files themselves: not in the creepy or criminal bits, but in the mundane stuff. How he talks, what’s on his mind, the advice he gives, etc. It’s all American upper middle class humdrum stuff.)

                                      • ryandrake a day ago

                                        You'd think this would be the story of the century, and that every news outlet would be running it 24/7 and falling all over each other to scoop new information. Child sex trafficking to wealthy and/or well known celebrities and government officials, including the actual president of the US! What news agency in the world wouldn't be salivating for something like this?

                                        Yet, here we are, no media wants to report on it, and they all wish that we all just forget about it and go back to buying khakis.

                                    • blululu a day ago

                                      That's an interesting point in general. On this particular topic I would go so far as to say that the citizen journalists are far more than what professional journalists are producing. I would guess that this is more a function of the idiosyncrasies of this particular data source. Most journalists are experts in tracking down hearsay and getting specific people to talk. The house Epstein email releases are just a massive pile of open data where someone with a more data-centric background can walk in and apply their skills.

                                      • OgsyedIE a day ago

                                        Massive piles of documents, released erratically and possessing apparently random and sloppy redactions with inconsistent formatting rules are a common tactic in some corporate cases as well, since they intend to wear down opposing counsel through exploitation of reptile theory.

                                        AFAICT it's not well considered by DoJ that this works roughly in proportion to the technical aptitude of opposing counsel. The public has excellent technical aptitude when motivated and none otherwise and this is clearly a situation of motivation.

                                      • chatmasta a day ago

                                        Hmm, maybe, but who’s really in control here?

                                        1) The slow and steady institutional journalists who are reporting on the government

                                        2) The fast and loose citizen journalists who are reporting on the government

                                        3) The government who is saturating the attention of both of them while they look for something that exists in the 98% portion of unreleased documentation about government wrongdoing

                                        I mean who’s the idiot? Maybe it’s the government interns who need to read 100% to release 2%.

                                        • hikkerl a day ago

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                                          • nofriend a day ago

                                            And which will frequently be completely wrong, but they will believe it absolutely because it fits with their political biases.

                                            • dash2 a day ago

                                              … as well as the shooter’s posting history and maybe a link to the livestream?

                                              • 64275488537 a day ago

                                                Respectfully, you also said that "we now know" that taking the COVID19 vaccine could have killed you earlier today, which is completely false. I don't think you are getting your news from reliable sources, and I see this comment as further evidence of that. I'm sure there's lots of information on 4chan about the identity of mass shooters, and that some of it is accurate, but most of it is probably wild speculation, outright trolling, and mistaken identity. Like when Reddit pinned the Boston Marathon bombings on a series of innocent people who were standing on a rooftop or missing because they had killed themselves.

                                                Then again, you also openly expressed an antisemitic conspiracy theory (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46959252) along with a lot of racist Great Replacement stuff (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46922014), so maybe unreliable news sources are the least of it. Seems like you're probably a literal White Nationalist.

                                                • Enginerrrd a day ago

                                                  To be honest, my working heuristic for over a decade now has been to assume that if someone openly admits to reading 4chan without any hesitation, caveats, or embarrassment, they can quite likely be lumped in with a general basket of deplorables.

                                                  Is it totally fair? No. Is it reasonably high probability? IMO, yes. Is there likely information value on 4chan that could be difficult to find elsewhere? Probably. Is it worth my time and aggravation to sort through it? No.

                                            • stevenwoo a day ago

                                              There’s actually more, though the Justice Department is deleting them in real time. The Justice Department used the same filenames for pdfs and the source media so hours of surveillance video from Epstein’s last days in custody was available as well as videos from all his devices including censored child porn with some of the other pedophiles unredacted. https://old.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qx81dj/type_this_...

                                              • siavosh a day ago

                                                dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.

                                                • O1111OOO a day ago

                                                  > dropsitenews has been doing much better reporting than most outlets.

                                                  Never heard of them, started browsing the site just now. Very impressed so far.

                                                  https://www.dropsitenews.com/

                                                • nacozarina 6 hours ago

                                                  The most shocking reveal to me is that from 2002-2011 Prince Andrew worked a special trade envoy role for the UK, and was passing non-public trade info immediately to Epstein. Epstein, in turn, immediately leveraged it with JP Morgan, and they made fn billions.

                                                  Not just one treasonous man, not just a few rich perverts, the whole thing is a supranational criminal syndicate looting everything they aren’t raping.

                                                  The circle of dirt does extend very wide and the scoundrels really are worried prosecution of the guilty will collapse everything.

                                                  • samyar 19 hours ago

                                                    how can someone even send so many emails

                                                    • delichon a day ago

                                                      I have a lot of sympathy for this man:

                                                      https://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/bio/e/jeffery-epstein

                                                    • thrance a day ago

                                                      Not a single mention of Trump. Really fucking impressive journalism.

                                                      • Insanity a day ago

                                                        Can’t upset the dear leader! Yeah, it was a notable absence and definitely intentional.

                                                        • docdeek 20 hours ago

                                                          This article is not about who was mentioned in the files or emails, but who was sending and receiving emails. Even then, it limits itself to only the top email senders and receipients. Trump might be mentioned often in the emails, but if he is not among the top couple of hundred senders/receivers of emails, then he’s not going to be mentioned in this article.

                                                          • thrance 16 hours ago

                                                            You'd think the guy that appears >1M times in the files would at least have its existence acknowledged in any article about who was in Epstein's sphere.

                                                            • docdeek 16 hours ago

                                                              ...and he is mentioned in those articles. Regularly. This analysis is about the people Epstein emailed most, however, so Trump doesn't make the cut.

                                                        • iterateoften a day ago

                                                          Honestly I’ve been sick to my stomach these past few days. I wasn’t even looking for the files and saw some in my feed on Reddit.

                                                          Basically take the most sad and disturbing Eastern European horror and put it in email form.

                                                          I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch because I saw one email were he just happened to be boating by and stopped by the island for lemonade.

                                                          The richest people and political elite were openly trading prices on children, leaving rave reviews on child services and how great that torture film was that was sent

                                                          Its sick

                                                          • DANmode a day ago

                                                            > were

                                                            Happening before JE, happening now.

                                                            Jimmy Savile, same thing.

                                                            • rkomorn 20 hours ago

                                                              > I had to stop my Seinfeld rewatch

                                                              I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't buy the "separate the artist from the artwork" line.

                                                              I can't say I've ever watched Seinfeld, but there are plenty of other artists whose work I just won't consume anymore because they've done things I find despicable (and that I know of).

                                                              Why would I want to see or hear them or even think about them while trying to enjoy something?

                                                              • delichon a day ago

                                                                Your distress may be related to your low standard of alarm. There's no evidence that Seinfeld replied let alone accepted.

                                                                • iterateoften a day ago

                                                                  Go look at the photos and tell me that everyone is overreacting. If anything people are under reacting.

                                                                  After the 3-4th blacked out little girl showing her genitals so they can be sold, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if someone is connected to the island they need to be thoroughly investigated. That’s not a stretch.

                                                                  Replies like yours are what’s sick downplaying the most prolific industrial child rape in modern America and only one person is sitting in prison. And none of the customers.

                                                                  • delichon a day ago

                                                                    I haven't seen those photos. Are they so bad that they justify smearing someone who was only mentioned in a huge trove and regardless of context? Will I go into a righteous omnidirectional rage if I see them too?

                                                                    • iterateoften a day ago

                                                                      I didn’t smear anyone. I said I stopped my rewatch.

                                                                      After investigating Jerry further, yeah dating a 17 year old high schooler and picking her up after school is equal distressing.

                                                                      So thank you for your astute analysis and defense of a person who drove to a high school to have a physical relationship 21 years younger but I’ll hold off on watching Seinfeld for now. If that’s not too controversial.

                                                                  • DropkickM16 20 hours ago

                                                                    Thank you, White Knight!

                                                                • gowthamgts12 a day ago

                                                                  How low we have become to do nothing about it? No arrests no convictions?

                                                                  • protocolture a day ago

                                                                    What do you mean?

                                                                    I understand the reporting is like "LOOK AT ALL THESE CRIMES" but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you".

                                                                    How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction? If you unredacted that person, identified them and called them would they tell you that the girls were all 18 or older? Or would they incriminate themselves? Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?

                                                                    I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.

                                                                    • rpdillon 12 hours ago

                                                                      Just some examples. If you watch the hearings from two days ago, you'll see that DOJ refuses to interview or speak to the victims to gather more info, and ignored a report from DJT's limo driver that he spoke with a (now deceased) victim that was murdered (head blown off, cops said it couldn't be suicide). That report asserts that DJT and JEE raped her, but they never even spoke to him or followed up.

                                                                      There is a clear pattern of inaction, going back several administrations.

                                                                      • an0malous a day ago

                                                                        > How do you get from that to an arrest or conviction?

                                                                        You do an investigation

                                                                        > Do you know it hasn't already been followed up on?

                                                                        Yes because that would be a part of these files. It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.

                                                                        • protocolture a day ago

                                                                          >It’s not disputed that at minimum any leads, including victim testimonies, were not followed up.

                                                                          I would love a source that discusses this.

                                                                          • cthulha 21 hours ago

                                                                            There's an great photo of Pam Bondi avoiding looking at all the Epstein victims when they raise their hands to indicate that they have not been contacted by the Justice Department to follow up their complaints, it is only a day or two old.

                                                                            • myvoiceismypass 12 hours ago

                                                                              Watch the Pam Bondi video this week where she is getting grilled about the Epstein files, and her rebuttal is that we should thank Trump for the Dow Jones being over 50,000. Watch the interaction with the Epstein survivors in the room.

                                                                              • protocolture an hour ago

                                                                                So is the issue that, the files were released and we now have 100000 people to lock up.

                                                                                Or is the issue that, now we have some transparency, we can see the FBI is misallocating resources?

                                                                                Because I keep hearing the former, but if the issue is that theres a bunch of crimes that have been reported that werent investigated, thats more of a process issue.

                                                                          • thefz 20 hours ago

                                                                            In the files there are scanned documents from the FBI reporting direct testimony from the victims of rape, violence, murder from prominent politicians, bankers, et cetera.

                                                                            Start with... investigating that?

                                                                            Ask them: why this person should be going around telling people you raped her? Have you ever met?

                                                                            You know, like law enforcement does when there is the suspect of a crime.

                                                                            • stolen_biscuit a day ago

                                                                              > I honestly dont understand what people are expecting here.

                                                                              An investigation...?

                                                                              • anechouapechou 14 hours ago

                                                                                >>but the files themselves are stuff like "Tee hee I know some girls for you".

                                                                                Really? Like the multiple "thank you for the pizza" e-mails which the sender was censored, or the whole obsession they have around "jerky" and how to cook jerky, "walk the jerky", or when it was mentioned that Epstein would eat less jerky because he was having some intestinal issues? Even mentioning these things, it still is such a small portion of all the sick shit that is on the files, pictures with literal children, a video of Epstein using a magnifying glass to burn a woman, and you're literally calling it a nothingburger?

                                                                              • asdff a day ago

                                                                                Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.

                                                                                • colecut a day ago

                                                                                  Actually, no she didn't, but a lot of people are saying she did.

                                                                                  • datsci_est_2015 a day ago

                                                                                    Which is a weird thing to make up given that there’s already so many horrible bytes to choose from that aren’t fabricated.

                                                                                    • clipsy a day ago

                                                                                      Snopes confirms this: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bondi-epstein-files-system...

                                                                                      But everyone knows Snopes is leftist propaganda, so it's probably false. /s

                                                                                      • colecut a day ago

                                                                                        It is amazing that this has to be confirmed on a website...

                                                                                        Wouldn't there be a clip of her saying it?

                                                                                        No one has even bothered to spend the 25 cents on an AI generated one as far as I've seen.

                                                                                        • datsci_est_2015 15 hours ago

                                                                                          > It is amazing that this has to be confirmed on a website...

                                                                                          I think it has a lot of memetic power because it’s plausible given the other things she’s said, like trying to deflect to economic “success” by pointing out the DOW ~is~ was over 50,000.

                                                                                          It also doesn’t need to be an attributed quote in order to reflect the countering sentiment: “Yes, prosecute those in the Epstein files no matter the geopolitical and economic cost.”

                                                                                          It also has a certain whiney, servile tone to it that makes it just annoying enough to trigger the leftist “ick” instinct.

                                                                                          Idk, I hope the 50,000 dol- meme picks up and people stop spreading this fabricated quote.

                                                                                        • bakies 10 hours ago

                                                                                          Paywall

                                                                                      • deadbolt a day ago

                                                                                        If that's the case, the system deserves to.

                                                                                        • doodlebugging a day ago

                                                                                          She is more worried about her own exposure. She can picture the ship sinking but doesn't want to drown with the other rats she helped protect.

                                                                                          • stevenwoo a day ago

                                                                                            She’s won so far, already got away with this twice as Florida AG, didn’t try to go after Epstein when he lived there and after Trump donated 25000 to her, she stopped the prosecution of his TrumpU fraud in Florida. GOP owns Justice Department for three more years and Dems were pretty toothless in previous administration.

                                                                                            • xvector a day ago

                                                                                              Don't be naive, do you really think Pam Bondi has a choice in the release of these files?

                                                                                              She is just a figurehead, her or her family's life is almost certainly under threat

                                                                                              • dboreham a day ago

                                                                                                Spot on. Unclear why this is being down voted. Underneath everything related to this "administration" is the implied threat of violence.

                                                                                                • XorNot 21 hours ago

                                                                                                  Because it's based on no evidence, and framed to imply a government official openly breaking the law is somehow the victim here (The files are already meant to be released by law, many of the redactions are illegal).

                                                                                                  If Bondi doesn't want to execute the duties of the office she can resign.

                                                                                                  • xvector 19 hours ago

                                                                                                    > If Bondi doesn't want to execute the duties of the office she can resign.

                                                                                                    This is an incredibly naive view of a world in which people get blackmailed and murdered all the time at the whims of extremely powerful people.

                                                                                                    It is very strange that you can't imagine a situation where someone is forced to play a role.

                                                                                                    • XorNot 4 hours ago

                                                                                                      She's the head of the Department of Justice: and you are arguing that it's okay to not do her job because the criminals might threaten her.

                                                                                                      • xvector 2 hours ago

                                                                                                        I'm not arguing anything is okay, that is you in your political anger shoving words into my mouth. I am simply saying that it is easy to understand.

                                                                                                        And again, you're being incredibly naive - there's no chance you'd be doing anything different in her position unless you are totally fine with sacrificing yourself, your parents, wife, children etc.

                                                                                                        It seems that you think "criminal threats" from elites are something that only happen in TV shows, not real life. I'm not sure why this is your perspective because the Panama Papers murders were real, whistleblowers are killed all the time, etc.

                                                                                            • O1111OOO a day ago

                                                                                              > Pam Bondi said if the DOJ went after everyone the whole system would collapse is why.

                                                                                              This is a criminally colluding Pam Bondi saying this. I guarantee that every single person on the Epstein list is replaceable many times over. There is not a single person on that list that is indispensable in any role they play in society. Full stop. Don't fall for it.

                                                                                              It's just the way the system is built. Even Pam Bondi is replaceable (and should be replaced) by many, many actual qualified people.

                                                                                              • bdangubic a day ago

                                                                                                she, like every other member of the administration is a DEI hire

                                                                                              • Herring a day ago

                                                                                                > the whole system

                                                                                                If there were democrats on that list, they’d already be in jail.

                                                                                                • Der_Einzige a day ago

                                                                                                  THERE ARE! BILL CLINTON! NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!)

                                                                                                  Democrats WANT to see the pedos in our party getting justice! We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.

                                                                                                  Anthony Weiner went down quickly. Cuomo went down quickly. Even folks who didn't deserve it like Al Franken go down quickly!

                                                                                                  • Herring a day ago

                                                                                                    > We have no loyalty to our party. We are the party of purity testing and infighting.

                                                                                                    Or as the rest of the world calls it, “not being a criminal organization”.

                                                                                                    • ChoGGi 6 hours ago

                                                                                                      > NOAM CHOMSKY (if they'd acted faster they could have nabbed him before he died!)

                                                                                                      He's still alive.

                                                                                                      • Der_Einzige an hour ago

                                                                                                        Mandela effect. He died in 2023. Look at him now, the guy is a walking skeleton.

                                                                                                  • lolive a day ago

                                                                                                    Save the Borgias !

                                                                                                    • BLKNSLVR a day ago

                                                                                                      So she admitted that the whole system is corrupt?

                                                                                                      • bdangubic a day ago

                                                                                                        that was a shock to us all

                                                                                                      • ekianjo a day ago

                                                                                                        Pam Bondi is trying to play the clock until the hot potato falls in someone else's hands.

                                                                                                    • thefz 20 hours ago

                                                                                                      > But most often the emails our LLM flagged were with young women or little-known accomplices. This pattern may be because it failed to spot incriminating messages sent to prominent contacts or because redactions are protecting people.

                                                                                                      Yeah, no shit.

                                                                                                      • whattheheckheck a day ago

                                                                                                        Does anyone really think they chose Gmail because they're incompetant or specifically to cause this scene?