• helsinkiandrew 20 hours ago

    > Responses in ChatGPT will not be influenced by ads.

    > Your conversations are private from advertisers

    But presumably your requests and ChatGPT’s responses will guide what ads users see. Whilst conversations might be private from advertisers - the products that are suitable for the user would be shared.

    If a user asks ChatGPT “what oil should I put in my Honda civic”. ChatGPT can search for suitable products but the page will also be showing ads for motor oil - presumably Honda civic motor oil.

    • weiliddat 14 hours ago

      I’m using Amp as my main coding agent (outside of work), and they have free mode with ads. It used to be that free mode let you used it with lower cost models like GLM, Kimi K2, etc. but recently they they switched that to a daily $10 limit but with Opus 4.5.

      Was curious whether ads would cover the cost of inference, so a bit of napkin math.

      They seem to display ~3 ads per minute, on tech products, presumably with pretty good signal and intent based on recent chat history. Not the most up to date on CPM but based on some basic searches we assume $30 per thousand impressions, that’s about 9c per minute and ~$5 per hour. Of course users aren’t always looking at the agent coding, but averaged out over say 3 hours of usage per day, that kinda covers the cost. The $10 per day limit is probably related to average daily session use.

      On ChatGPT showing an ad per conversation with good signal and intent audiences could have pretty high CPM or CPC too, easily $0.01 to $0.10 per conversation? I think that’s easily sufficient to cover the API pricing for ChatGPT 5.2 instant or mini thinking for the majority of users queries.

      • jdlyga 20 hours ago

        OpenAI is desperate to recover the billions of dollars they've spent.

        • mandeepj 19 hours ago

          They shouldn’t have turned away Apple then!

        • griffineyes 18 hours ago

          The only acceptable response to this was to delete my account. AI is free if you know where to look and build your own models.

          • maltalex 18 hours ago

            They’re in a tough spot. Stuck between free open-weights models and competitors with deep pockets and access to customers.

            • firemelt 21 hours ago

              is this why elon want take over openai?

              • ChrisArchitect 17 hours ago
                • plagiarist 20 hours ago

                  Enshittification seems to be accelerating. Humanity will reach an advertising singularity long before a technological singularity.

                  • eimrine 20 hours ago

                    Come on man, putting ads is not enshittification. Haven't you used the Internets 20 years ago? It was a decent way to live for the webmaster in those good old times when most of the traffic was from humans.

                    • buggy6257 16 hours ago

                      My dude adding ads to a free product after locking people into using it for free is LITERALLY the example used by Doctorow in his original article[1] that COINED the term “enshittification”. It couldn’t be more accurate if you tried.

                      [1] https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai

                      • blain 18 hours ago

                        > Come on man, putting ads is not enshittification.

                        Sure man, until ads became unbearable and intrusive. The good old times are gone. This is the future.

                        • eimrine 6 hours ago

                          There are a lot of examples of enshittification. Putting advare was never enshittification, no matter how intrusive they are. They are never unbearable. There are a lot of thing tangential to ads which is enshittification, for example dark patterns.

                          But if the alternative of ads is communism it is not enshittification.