• kleiba 6 minutes ago

    Check out what this dude came up with 120 years earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_F%C3%B6ttinger

    • mcherm an hour ago

      Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other.

      The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

      • jgrahamc an hour ago

        As immortalised in the 1978 song "Greased Ligthnin'" from the film Grease:

            Well, this car is automatic
            It's systematic
            It's hydromatic
            Why it's greased lightnin' (greased lightnin')
        
        I am pretty sure that "hydromatic" there is actually "Hydramatic" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydramatic).
        • bluGill 43 minutes ago

          Many automatics these days are manual transmissions with a computer controlling the clutch. They have nothing in common with the slushboxes of old, the oil is just for lubrication.

          • HPsquared 10 minutes ago

            Even slushboxes tend to aggressively lock up the torque converter. It's usually only in a "fluid dynamics" mode for brief moments. (Except maybe on a gentle hill start)

          • Someone an hour ago

            > Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling

            Are you sure?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmis...:

            “The most common type of CVT uses a V-belt which runs between two variable-diameter pulleys.

            […]

            A belt-driven design offers approximately 88% efficiency, which, while lower than that of a manual transmission, can be offset by enabling the engine to run at its most efficient speed regardless of the vehicle's speed.

            […]

            Disadvantages of a hydrostatic CVT include:

            Reduced efficiency. Gears are one of the most efficient methods of mechanical power transmission, with efficiencies as high as 90 percent in many cases. In contrast, few hydrostatic transmission systems achieve more than about 65 percent efficiency”

          • ErroneousBosh an hour ago

            Except a fluid clutch actually works, and a torque converter works even better and has three fans inside it ;-)

            I can see the "passive" cylinder getting dragged around a little by viscosity but I don't see how this could transfer even the tiniest amount of power.

          • bluGill an hour ago

            As what efficency? The artical doesn't say, but hydraulics and automatic transmissions have been around for a long time and are less efficient than regular gears or electric motors. Cars got a good efficieny boost then the locking torque converter was developed.

            • dvh 2 hours ago

              Virtually zero torque right?

              • ErroneousBosh an hour ago

                I don't see how it could even have any measurable torque.

                You could improve it by making the cylinders have sticky-out bits that would scoosh the fluid around better, like little paddle wheels, and if you wanted to get some serious torque transfer you'd push the two paddle wheels so close together that the paddles actually kind of intersect.

                • beeflet an hour ago

                  you could increase fluid viscosity

              • vlachen 5 days ago

                I'm not a fan of the bias towards "Gears are old tech, and that makes them bad" but I can see a lot of interesting possibilities with fluid coupling. The variables involved in power transmission for these things would be pretty wild to characterize, and the article video clearly shows inefficiencies in the system with the driven cylinder having counter rotational flow against it.

                • Aardwolf 32 minutes ago

                  > I'm not a fan of the bias towards "Gears are old tech, and that makes them bad"

                  If the gears don't at least require an app with a subscription and regular updates to use, they must be old tech

                  /sarcasm

                • mrbn100ful 25 minutes ago

                  Nice to see that they have discovered the Torque converter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter

                  Used since the 60s lol

                  • zahlman 2 hours ago

                    Do we understand fluid mechanics well enough now to just design things like this from scratch, or is it still mostly trial and error? TFA seems to imply the latter, but....

                    • Y_Y an hour ago

                      There must be some reason PRL chose to publish this, but it's not apparent to me from TFA or the abstract, and I'm not interested enough to login via my institution.

                      It's not new that you could set up co- or counter-rotation in such a system. This seems like the sort of thing G. I. Taylor had as a bath toy.

                      Maybe impossibly tiny and unresponsive torques are useful somewhere?

                      • debatem1 an hour ago

                        How is this different from slushomatics? Sounds exactly like old school fluid couplings.

                        • angled an hour ago

                          Or slushboxes …

                        • globalnode an hour ago

                          reminds me of a tesla turbine -- only less efficient