• mpeg 29 minutes ago

    This is cool, and it's a really impressive feat especially for someone with relatively little experience due to your age.

    A few notes:

    - it's easy to be faster than other routers when you're doing less, for example it seems wildcards are not supported yet, and there's no tests but I suspect there would be a lot of bugs in the way routes are handled. I wouldn't focus that much on speed

    - your code organisation is ok for a personal project, but it could use a bit of structure. things are all over the place, I would try to separate pieces of functionality that can be developed (and, importantly, tested) in isolation. For example, your router could be its own module, that way it would also be easier to get started in writing unit tests. (once you've got some example code you can just offload a lot of the test writing to an LLM, then clean them up manually as it will do stupid things)

    - your benchmarks are quite low in general, I don't know how good the node.js tool you're using for it is but I would give them a go with something like oha. also, it's very odd that hono beats elysia in your tests, in my own testing elysia is much faster than hono, but it suffers from the same tradeoffs as any trie based router (more set up time)

    - instead of zod, you should use the @standard-schema/spec package, so that it can work with any validation library (including zod) – they have some nice type utilities too that simplify inferring types from schemas

    • lioeters 2 hours ago

      Great job with building and releasing a project. The API looks intuitive, almost the same as Express. Documentation site is good! The animated code blocks is nice on front page but too distracting in the docs itself, I think.

      A potential user would want to know: why is it faster? What's the compromise, if any. What specific quantifiable technical points make it faster than other libraries. Benchmarks and tests.

      Overall the library feels like a polished open-source project, good attention to design and detail. Definitely valuable as part of a portfolio/resume. Keep going!

      • jeremy_su 6 minutes ago

        I think you are misunderstanding "Type-safe"

        In traditional development, the backend engineer writes the API and writes the relevant documents. Then, the frontend developer writes the request API function based on the documentation.

        However, in type-safe API development, once the backend API is finished, the frontend merely needs to install the API module and import the API function, eliminating the need for any manual wrap code.

        But anyway, good job, you are build something, and it's amazing!!

        • lxe 2 hours ago

          Object.defineProperty on every request to set params / query / body is probably slower than regular property assignment.

          Also parsing the body on every request without the ability to change it could hurt performance (if you're going for performance that is as a primary factor).

          I wonder if the trie-based routing is actually faster than Elysia in precompile mode set to enabled?

          Overall, this is a nice wrapper on top of bun.serve, structured really well. Code is easy to read and understand. All the necessary little things taken care of.

          The dev experience of maintaining this is probably a better selling point than performance.

          • ricardobeat an hour ago

            Nice work! Some notes:

            1. File size is a commonly highlighted metric for JS frameworks because of network transfer cost on the client side. For node/bun/deno frameworks, it isn't very relevant, especially the gzipped size.

            2. In the benchmark, the number for all frameworks is quite low - I get closer to 80-100k req/s with Bun on my 3-year old machine. Might be worth using a standard VM size in a cloud provider to make it more meaningful.

            3. "Cron" scheduling doesn't seem to belong in the library. This won't be very useful for real-world use cases, as soon as you have >1 node running a server you'll need some form of coordination. More size reduction :)

          • swiftcoder 3 hours ago

            Congrats! That's a sleek framework.

            Would love to see the benchmarks checked into source control somewhere so folks can reproduce them.

            Can't say I'm the biggest fan of the way the sample code types itself out character-by-character. Took a while for the longer samples to finish typing themselves out.

            • jryan49 2 hours ago

              Agree get rid of the character-by-character animation. It's very annoying.

            • jryan49 2 hours ago

              Considering this is barely any code at all I imagine it doesn't provide anywhere near the feature set other web frameworks do. Also there are no tests. How do you know it even works properly? Why would I trust that it works properly?

              • jryan49 2 hours ago

                I do want to applaud your efforts, especially at your age. Add some tests, and keep making things :)

              • a-dub 2 hours ago

                this is pretty fun, slick to think you can do things like this now and it will be performant: https://github.com/MatthewTheCoder1218/princejs/blob/main/sr...

                interesting to dig deep into the bun runtime (it's in zig) to see how this remains efficient. it's a heap: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/blob/509a97a43516fe4f6d4ff400...

                of these: https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/blob/509a97a43516fe4f6d4ff400...

                pretty cool clean and simple code for the framework (and bun).

                • londons_explore 28 minutes ago

                  Rather than requests per second, I prefer 'clock cycles per request'.

                  As well as being slightly more hardware independent, it also helps highlight exactly how efficient/inefficient the code must be.

                  This code is ~100k clock cycles per request.

                  • stevage 25 minutes ago

                    How do you measure it?

                  • silvestreh an hour ago

                    This is really interesting, but I'd absolutely love if you could add a light theme to your website. I really can't read on a dark background, it kinda hurts my eyes and when I take my eyes off the screen I see a bunch of horizontal lines for a minute or so.

                    • Alex_L_Wood an hour ago

                      This is pretty impressive, wow! I always wanted to build a toy HTTP requests framework just to better understand the tools I’m working with, and here you are building the full thing.

                      • leeoniya 2 hours ago

                        i was initially confused how 19.2K rps is notable when Express typically benchmarks around 15K rps [1].

                        however, the author is benchmarking a route with an id param here, not a static route.

                        [1] https://github.com/uNetworking/uWebSockets/discussions/1415

                        • gwd 2 hours ago

                          I thought it was going to have something to do with this:

                          https://princejs.com/

                          • altmind 37 minutes ago

                            Will you bench against techempower benchmarks?

                            • bitwize 2 hours ago

                              Is from Nigeria

                              Has "Prince" in his HN nick and framework name

                              I smell either a rat, or an incredibly meme-savvy kid who leaned into the joke.

                              Anyways, congrats and keep on hacking!

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                                • ramon156 2 hours ago

                                  Impressive stuff! I see you have contributions startins 2023, does that mean you started programming at 11?

                                  • jasonjmcghee 2 hours ago

                                    Nice job building a thing and putting it out there. It's a great accomplishment.

                                    • super256 2 hours ago

                                      At that age I couldn't even code. Keep it up, young man :)

                                      • moralestapia 2 hours ago

                                        An actual nigerian prince that's not a scam. LOL.

                                        Congrats on this, keep building more stuff!

                                        • yahoozoo 3 hours ago

                                          Any real world app is going to be waiting on, primarily, IO. These benchmarks that just hit an endpoint that returns a simple object are useless.

                                          • tayo42 2 hours ago

                                            You would be otherwise just benchmarking the slow service if you benchmarked it any other way

                                            • koakuma-chan 2 hours ago

                                              What is being benchmarked there anyway? Receiving a request from the underlying HTTP library, calling the user's handler function, and passing the response back to the HTTP library? Hono, Elysia, PrinceJS... all these "frameworks" really are just routers, and Bun comes with its own router.

                                              • ricardobeat an hour ago

                                                No, you would be benchmarking the overhead of juggling several requests in flight, I/O and memory usage, which is what really distinguishes servers in terms of performance.

                                            • waschl 3 hours ago

                                              Mighty impressive

                                              • stevepotter 2 hours ago

                                                I got emotional thinking about a 13 year old releasing this. No brutal feedback, just proud of you buddy. Keep it going!

                                                • fwip 2 hours ago

                                                  The github page claims "PrinceJS fits in a tweet," but also that it's 2.8kB after gzip compression.

                                                  Are tweets 2800 characters now? (Genuine question, I haven't used the place in years.

                                                  • chuckadams 2 hours ago

                                                    People with blue-check accounts get a 25000-char limit. Everyone else is at 280. Have had twitter/x aliased to localhost for a while now myself.

                                                  • Uptrenda 2 hours ago

                                                    Damn smart kid. You're going to have a bright future. Stay away from bad influences and you'll be a star.

                                                    • dlisboa 3 hours ago

                                                      I know it's intentional but very amusing name considering the country of origin.

                                                      • alexfoo 40 minutes ago

                                                        It’s almost certainly not because of the advance fee scam.

                                                        You don’t have to meet many Nigerians before you find one that claims to be some kind of a Prince back home.

                                                        Nigeria used to be hundreds/thousands of separate kingdoms and many people have a claim to be chiefs/kings of those historic kingdoms. Male descendants of such leaders will claim the unofficial title of Prince. They may not have any real national standing but such leaders will be respected by their local communities.

                                                        It may look like one big country but there’s no official single royal family (unsurprising since it is a Republic). To give an idea of the diversity of Nigeria consider the fact that the country has over 500 native languages that are actively spoken.

                                                      • mikeday 33 minutes ago

                                                        Ohhh Nigerian Prince, I thought it was a wrapper for our Prince HTML to PDF formatter, but there is also a JavaScript implementation of Prince of Persia lol.

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