• rbanffy 8 hours ago

    We really need to be able to launch a sample return mission to interstellar objects. There’s much unique chemistry to be uncovered.

    • reenorap 10 hours ago

      An article said this is the 3rd interstellar object detected. Are we detecting more interstellar visitors because they are getting more common, or have our techniques improved over the last few years?

      • synapsomorphy 10 hours ago

        Entirely the second. When Vera Rubin starts reporting its regular scans this will be made very clear because we'll probably find 10+ interstellar objects per year at minimum.

        • hnuser123456 9 hours ago

          These things are only a mile or two wide and at the distance of Jupiter. They require extremely sensitive and high-resolution telescopes to detect. There are probably many more of them that are smaller and further.

          • gus_massa 10 hours ago

            We launched a new telescope, in 2017 IIRC, that can detect them.

            • aardvark179 10 hours ago

              Our techniques have improved.

            • galacticaactual 5 hours ago

              So how is it that nickel is present on this thing with zero corresponding iron?

              • ccgreg 3 hours ago

                > We report detection of CN emission and also detect numerous Ni I lines while Fe I remains undetected, potentially implying efficiently released gas-phase Ni.

                Where does it say there is zero iron? This is an upper bound, not zero.

              • briffid 10 hours ago

                So is it a spaceship or not?

                • rdtsc 10 hours ago

                  Why would do think it would be a spaceship?

                  • lucky_cloud 9 hours ago

                    I doubt they're serious but some wackos thought Oumuamua was an alien probe due to its unusual shape, and since this new interstellar object is arriving shortly after Oumuamua has left it must be the mothership.

                    I feel like it's more of a meme than a serious thing for most people.

                    • chatmasta 8 hours ago

                      It wasn’t a wacko theory at first. The wackos are the people who still believed it even after evidence emerged to the contrary.

                      • rbanffy 8 hours ago

                        There are many more rocks in our own solar system than there are interstellar spacecraft. Assuming similar proportions elsewhere makes us conclude it’s never aliens.

                        • Bjartr 6 hours ago

                          Heuristcs that almost always work are right up until they're not.

                          https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/heuristics-that-almost-alwa...

                          • chatmasta 2 hours ago

                            That’s why they’re called heuristics and not deterministics

                            • Tadpole9181 33 minutes ago

                              I mean, sure, but no one I've invited in my home is a vampire so far and I think that heuristic is solid.

                        • andyjohnson0 9 hours ago

                          The Ramans do everything in threes.

                          • exe34 8 hours ago

                            I'm looking forward to the braking!

                            • rbanffy 8 hours ago

                              The books, unfortunately, didn’t stop on the first.

                          • holoduke 8 hours ago

                            I am getting bombarded with yt videos about this object being half the size of the sun passing our system with the planets aligned in a 0.01% chance perfect geometry etc etc. millions of views. It's incredible what people believe these days. Not a grain of skepticism.

                            • ojosilva 6 hours ago

                              I think the number of wacky believers hasn't changed that much. It's just that now the countless outlets and algorithms venting this nonsense have ballooned to galactic proportions! My dad used to buy these 70/80s UFO magazines back in the day and they were just as nutty.

                              • rbanffy 8 hours ago

                                Science teachers have failed their students.

                                • dylan604 7 hours ago

                                  Do all of the views necessarily translate 1:1 to the number of people that believe it? Some people watch just to see what kooky nonsense people are falling for.

                              • iJohnDoe 3 hours ago

                                They are asking if it is or not. They didn’t say they think it’s a spaceship.

                                In any case, assumptions shouldn’t be made either either way what it might be, which is the reason to gather more data.

                                • rdtsc 2 hours ago

                                  Sure but it's also not a pink elephant and not a flower pot. It's none of those things. We have just as much evidence of those objects flying through space as we have of alien spaceships so far. So it's odd asking "So is it a spaceship or not?" just like it's odd asking "so is it a flower pot?".

                              • LeoPanthera 9 hours ago

                                It is never aliens.

                                • rbanffy 8 hours ago

                                  Until it is. ;-)

                                • JPLeRouzic 10 hours ago

                                  This is a report about the volatile composition of interstellar objects (ISOs) passing through the Solar System.

                                • tiahura 10 hours ago

                                  So telescopes can see nickel being spread at .125g/mile from 200M miles away?

                                  • dekhn 8 hours ago

                                    Yes, in this case the telescope (array) is composed of many elements. The scopes themselves are very sensitive (so they can detect minute amounts of photons) and the combined array gives a much higher resolution (ability to see things that are very small very far away).

                                    astronomy technology has been improving rapidly and the VLT is one of the best implementations for this kind of problem right now.

                                    • gus_massa 10 hours ago

                                      An easy home experiment is to get a gas flame, like in the stovetop that is blue and sprink a little of table salt. The important part is the sodium that gives the flame a very strong yellow color.

                                      Salts without sodium give other colors. IIRC cooper gives a green color. This is used by firecrackers makers to get nice colors, and also in the chemistry lab to detect the composition of some salts.

                                      After studding this king of stuff for a few centuries, we have a very good idea of how each element changes the color of the flame, or absorbs some colors of the light that pass trough the mist.

                                      • beefnugs 4 hours ago

                                        I can't wait until RFKjr knows which colored salts to inject into child's brains to read the flame colors of autisms!

                                      • JPLeRouzic 10 hours ago

                                        I have a 135-year-old book by Camille Flammarion that explains how astronomers were able to analyze the content of stars with spectroscopy.

                                      • StableAlkyne 10 hours ago

                                        In the same sense that a weather radar can "see" mist dozens of miles away, yes

                                        There is so much more information available in the electromagnetic spectrum than just the narrow range a human eye can see

                                      • DoctorOetker 6 hours ago

                                        for example, the element Helium (which had been presumed to exist as a missing gap in the Aufbau model, but at the time not yet discovered) was first discovered not on Earth... but in the Sun! Spectroscopy confirmed the predicted spectrum. Once The element was confirmed to exist on the sun, they started looking for it on Earth and eventually found it on Earth as well.