• roughly 11 hours ago

    I am generally well read across a wide variety of fields, but now and again I come across a sentence or paragraph where the sheer density of information packed into a small number of well-chosen field-specific terms just stops me in my tracks. The abstract for this paper is a testament to the ability of jargon to increase the information carrying capacity of the limited bitrate of human language - it hit my head like a zip bomb.

    • AmazingTurtle 5 hours ago

      You should have said "it hit my head like a zip bomb", it was unclear to me what you meant till I read the whole paragraph

      • andrecarini 44 minutes ago

        As another reader who has no idea what any of this is about, I've coerced my favorite LLM to digest it into ooga-booga format in the style of this essay[1]:

        # grug see big sky boom

        - sky make ooga FLASH but not light, just invisible whoosh (radio).

        - whoosh so strong, like sun work many day, but all squish into blink of eye.

        - smart sky-people have big ear rock (CHIME). ear rock say: "boom come from there, galaxy far, but not too far (only 130 million fire-circles away)."

        - ear rock also have many little ear-brother rock across land, help point finger very good.

        - finger point so good, sky-people know spot of boom smaller than tree forest (13 parsec).

        - then, magic glass eye (James Webb) look at spot. see old fat star (red giant) glowing soft.

        - but fat star not make ooga boom. hmm. maybe fat star have sneaky tiny angry friend (neutron star).

        - tiny angry friend go "KRAK!" → make fast radio boom.

        # lesson for tree-brain

        - boom in sky still big mystery.

        - now smart sky-people can say where boom come from.

        - if know where, can watch with other eyes, maybe find secret of why.

        - grug think: many sky boom = maybe angry tiny stars yelling far away.

        # Ooga booga translation:

        "Tree no know why sky yell. But now tree know where sky yell. Soon, tree maybe know why sky yell."

        [1]: https://grugbrain.dev/

        • __MatrixMan__ 9 hours ago

          It gives me flashbacks to the last time I tried to figure out what a sheaf was.

        • SiempreViernes an hour ago

          Wow, I haven't followed the FRBs field closely so discovering they are being localised to spatially resolved places within galaxies is amazing!

          Good job Canada getting CHIME built and keeping it running.

          • addaon 15 hours ago

            Is kJy as a brightness unit the abomination I think it is?

            • bqmjjx0kac 14 hours ago

              You nerd sniped me :) In this context, I believe it is a kilo-Jansky, not a kilo-Joule * year.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jansky

              • dotancohen 7 hours ago

                I don't think that replacing two ill fitting but probable units with a single obscure unit is much of an improvement!

                • rbanffy 19 minutes ago

                  It’s mentioned in Contact, both movie and book.

                  • 8bitsrule 4 hours ago

                    It appears to have something to do with CGS units.

                    1 Jy = 10-23 erg s-1 cm-2 Hz-1 (cgs)

                    only their figure: L9.9 GHz < 2.1 × 10^25 erg s−1 Hz−1

                    leaves out the cm-2. (So not a density, like Jy. Perhaps 'L' is luminosity? ... As in: "The solar luminosity unit is a measure of the Sun's radiant energy and is equal to 3.828×10^(26) Watts." -(NRAO)

                    While groping, I found this helpful page called Brightness in Radio Astronomy: http://physics.wku.edu/~gibson/radio/brightness.html

                    • dotancohen 3 hours ago

                      I was thinking maybe joules/year e.g. energy/time might be some brightness indicator for some astronomical definition of brightness - especially in the non-optical wavelengths.

                      But that's division, not multiplication. Another thread in my brain thought maybe the product of the two could be useful for people in that field, sort of how ISP is useful to people in rocketry but us normal people need to divide it by G(earth) to get something intuitive.

                    • guenthert 2 hours ago

                      I don't think it's obscure in that field or for the target audience. You might want to read the soon to be published distilled and transposed article in popular mechanics ...

                  • hdgvhicv 5 hours ago

                    erg s−1 Hz−1 Gave me a headache

                  • AndrewKemendo 9 hours ago

                    My interpretation of the paper:

                    Astronomers processed a bunch of data from a fairly new antenna array (CHIME) and saw a giant burst of energy in radio range (above 20khz), localized to a 10 light year “bubble” of space, that is relatively close to us, as a novel measurement precision

                    James Webb then also correlated an IR signal near this radio signal

                    So it seems to me that we’re finally just seeing for the first time the actual data that is coming into earth, a lot of the analysis seems to think this is a new thing but in fact it’s simply just new for us to be able to measure

                    CHIME nor these methods existed previously to the last 5 years so we’re likely going to see a lot of what we just haven’t been seeing.

                    It doesn’t mean it’s new it just means astronomers are getting better tools to continue to refine the granularity of measurements

                    • magicalhippo 5 hours ago

                      A cool thing about CHIME is that they focus after the fact, by the way they process the data.

                      A nice overview talk can be found here[1], which also goes into the objects it detects such as FRBs.

                      CHIME is also used to detect millisecond pulsars, and is part of the NANOGrav[2] pulsar timing array, which measures very low frequency gravitational waves from merging supermassive black holes and such.

                      [1]: https://pirsa.org/22100067

                      [2]: https://nanograv.org/15yr/Summary/Timing

                      • drmpeg 3 hours ago

                        This is pretty pedantic, but allocated radio frequencies start at 8.3 kHz.

                        https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/fcctable.pdf

                        • katzenversteher 4 hours ago

                          My interpretation of the title (did not read the article but I don't understand anything about astrophysics anyways): ALIENS!

                        • sema4hacker 12 hours ago

                          Every day Hacker News titles, stories, and comments have acronyms and abbreviations I've never seen before, and I have to search for the term to know what it's talking about. I know what a parsec is, but I've never actually seen the pc abbreviation used before. At least I learn something new every day.

                          • DrBazza 2 hours ago

                            Barns was a particular favourite from my university years. Imagine my surprise encountering 'mb' and it wasn't millibars. Then again, I also had to deal with microhertz and nanohertz.

                            • pezezin 19 minutes ago

                              At least it wasn't megabytes...

                              Spoiler: "megabytes" are abbreviated as MB, but many people don't see to remember that SI units are case-sensitive.

                            • a1o 12 hours ago

                              You didn't mention but I guess pc here stands for parsecs