« BackFirst 2D, non-silicon computer developedpsu.eduSubmitted by giuliomagnifico 4 days ago
  • chasil 14 minutes ago
    • justinclift 6 hours ago

      Wonder if these materials are the kind of thing the "make your own integrated circuits" people would be able to use?

      ie: https://sam.zeloof.xyz/category/semiconductor/

      • sitkack 16 hours ago

        https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/16-bit-risc-v-proces...

        Modern microprocessor built from complementary carbon nanotube transistors https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1493-8

        • muglug 19 hours ago

          > at frequencies up to 25 kilohertz

          How high could this technique go?

          • magicalhippo 10 hours ago

            From the abstract[1]:

            This enabled circuit operation below 3 V with an operating frequency of up to 25 kHz, which was constrained by parasitic capacitances

            I would guess process improvements would help a lot towards lowering those parasitics. So I wouldn't take this initial attempt as a guide for ultimate speed.

            Since this is 2D materials, a capacitor is a dielectric sandwiched by two conductors and capacitance scales linearly with area, I would assume just scaling things down would help immensely with parasitic capacitance. Changing materials or process could also change the dielectric constant which also affects the capacitance linearly.

            Paper is sadly not open access, so I can't check if they mention this or have done some theoretical peak calculations or something. Would indeed be interesting to know.

            [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08963-7

          • Valgrim 3 hours ago

            Molybdenum and tungsten both have melting point much higher than silicon, Maybe these circuits could be a good candidate for Venus rovers?

            • kxndnddn an hour ago

              I don't see how that would be relevant since the melting temperature of Silicon is already _significantly_ higher than temperatures on Venus can reach outside of reentry

            • numpad0 16 hours ago

                > molybdenum disulfide for n-type transistors and tungsten diselenide for p-type transistors  
              
              Isn't this rather unusual?
              • NegativeK 16 hours ago

                Yes? But it’s been in research for a decade or two, based on a quick search.

                It’s confusing to me because moly d is a very common lubricant, even for home uses.

                • m-watson 16 minutes ago

                  Something that is nice with MoS2 and the others are transition metal dichalcogenides and have some beneficial physical properties like a natural electronic bandgap, unlike silicon.

                  • avmich 9 hours ago

                    Isn't it a good lubricant because it's easily split into 2D layers?

                • RayfromBoston 9 hours ago

                  I wonder how this compares in speed and capabilities to photonic computers

                  • ConradKilroy 9 hours ago

                    I was wondering that too!

                  • znpy 5 hours ago

                    Isn’t tungsten much much more expensive than silicon and harder to work with?

                    • IsTom 5 hours ago

                      Does its price really matter for amounts used in chips?

                    • Razengan 18 hours ago

                      A small step towards Sophons

                      • lowwave 17 hours ago

                        Well with all the sabre-rattling by Kratsios on space time control, Sophons is not that far fetched.

                        • 9dev 17 hours ago

                          Well—I, for one, welcome our new Trisolaran overlords!

                        • yodon 19 hours ago

                          WTF is up with that illustration at the top of the article?

                          • DavidSJ 17 hours ago

                            Some attempt to visually represent molybdenum disulfide and tungsten diselenide with the keys of a QWERTY keyboard.

                            • mjmas 14 hours ago

                              Which if it was done properly would have WSe2 and MoS2 rather than seemingly random keys

                              • close04 7 hours ago

                                It shows just the symbols of the elements (W, Se, Mo) and the number 2, not the compounds. The "W", "S", "M", and "2" characters are in the correct place on a QWERTY keyboard, and they appended the necessary additional characters to complete the symbols as needed, even if the "e" in Se and "o" in Mo aren't in the correct spot on the layout.

                            • gfody 19 hours ago

                              someone tries to explain cmos to the graphics dept

                              • adastra22 17 hours ago

                                To an AI prompt more likely.

                              • bobmcnamara 12 hours ago

                                If the frame is made of atoms what are the keys and display made out of? Quarks?

                                • a3w 7 hours ago

                                  Yupp, I stopped reading and closed the browser tab when I saw that. Then reconsidered, to find the original source.

                                  • TacticalCoder 16 hours ago

                                    AI but it's kinda cool. Computers books in the old days used to have crazy representations of computers and all kinds of stuff. I don't mind this one.