• IAmBroom a day ago

    OK, this part was brilliant:

    "To avoid this problem, the team divided their 100-milliwatt laser into eight beams. Each beam travels along a slightly different path through the turbulent atmosphere and thus receives a different random phase perturbation. Counterintuitively, this incoherent illumination makes the interference effects observable.

    When I first started studying optical engineering, my teacher had worked on the first under-the-RADAR guidance system for bombers. He told lots of amusing stories, like how the pilots insisted on a manual override - so they "agreed" to provide a switch, noting to us manual piloting at near-treetop level and 1,000 ft/s is insane.

    He taught us about the nominal amount of turbulence in the atmosphere, and that it limited space-based cameras to about half a foot resolution - a limit he said couldn't be broken. Therefore, license plates would never be readable from space...

    Before I was out of grad school, they had broken it with laser techniques on nearby targets. Flash the laser at the same time as the image, scan the laser-illuminated spot, calculate the perturbance, and reverse-filter the image. A lot of processing (for that day), but it could be done back on Earth.

    As you can see from the test images, the 8 lasers aren't enough to perfectly smooth out the noise. The noise is probably square-root-8 improved, so resolution should improve by a factor of not quite 3. Move those lasers slightly and repeat 12 times; you've improved resolution by 10. This is easy to do quickly; you should be able to read fine print held by a car passenger on the highway.

    • dekhn 20 hours ago

      We are in the middle of a renaissance of image processing across a wide range of fields. Many of the previous limits are being smashed by using new materials and algorithms. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_ptychography for an example

      • kevmo314 21 hours ago

        That's how night mode works on Pixel phones, right? I believe it takes a few images in rapid succession and took advantage of the noise being random which meant a high quality image under a noisy sensor with some signal processing.

        • perihelions 21 hours ago

          - "Flash the laser at the same time as the image, scan the laser-illuminated spot, calculate the perturbance, and reverse-filter the image"

          That's also how some adaptive optics work in astronomy,

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guide_star

          • hammock 20 hours ago

            >He told lots of amusing stories, like how the pilots insisted on a manual override - so they "agreed" to provide a switch, noting to us manual piloting at near-treetop level and 1,000 ft/s is insane.

            You ought to read Tom Wolfe’s “the right stuff” asap if you haven’t already

            • quantadev 17 hours ago

              So what's the summary of how this works? I don't think it was explained well, and I'm fairly up to speed with the physics of photons etc. Is it that the multiple lasers are able to destructively interfere with each other so that they cancel out the noise from each other since the noise will be the same in all of them? That's tricky because if the photons are phase shifted to cancel out the noise that seems like the ENTIRE laser signal would be cancelled out too. Maybe this is what's happening, and the only thing "left over" is the signal from the source (what's being measured)?

            • mrexroad 18 hours ago

              > He imagines that the remote-imaging system could have several applications, including monitoring insect populations across agricultural land.

              “Insect populations” is a funny way to spell secrets. Jokes aside, it does seem like this could serve a wide range of non-espionage related use cases. Really cool.

              • metalman 17 hours ago

                there is a now old technology where a laser is shone on a window, and the resulting glow is imaged, the images if anylised are an analog audio signal that is created by voices inside a building vib the newer version under discussion here is a direct fit forthe same use, but at much greater distances and greater fidelity/resolution there were many,mostly mechanical devices, made to detect aircraft ,deployed durring WWII, that had two large acoustical horns directed a central binaural detection sensor, the whole aparatus was the mounted on a large stage that turned, and the horns were also aimable, giving a bearing, and speed on aircraft, in dark ,coudy, or other conditions.The inferometer bieng someone in a seat.

              • 27theo a day ago

                > The team demonstrated that this intensity interferometer can image millimeter-wide letters at a distance of 1.36 km

                • croisillon 2 hours ago

                  i'm a bit confused when they don't measure things in olympic pools and bananas for scale

                  • mturmon 19 hours ago

                    1mm at 1.36 km works out to about 150 milliarcsec (mas), if you're used to those units from astronomy contexts.

                    • abcd_f 21 hours ago

                      Letters were 8 mm.

                      > To demonstrate the system’s capabilities, the team created a series of 8-mm-wide targets, each made from a reflective material and imprinted with a letter.

                      • Calwestjobs a day ago

                        intensity interferometer means it interferometers intensity of light.

                        imaging technologies you mistook for imagination technologies and their gpu inside of a sega dreamcast or iphone, ipad,...

                        1.36 km = 0.85 miles

                      • unyttigfjelltol 18 hours ago

                        That interesting article led me down a research rabbit hole of microwave maser inferometers and whether that could be an explanation for the controversial Havana Syndrome. And, having skimmed descriptions of historical SIGINT projects Buran[1] and Luch[2], and the theoretical advantages of such a system ... my curiosity in Faraday cages is renewed.

                        [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone

                        [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olymp-K

                        • hammock 21 hours ago

                          Lasers really are an underrated miracle. So many diverse uses for things that would be impossible without them.

                          And we are about to be saturated in them as soon as LiDAR full self driving goes mainstream

                          • vinkelhake 13 hours ago

                            LIDAR pulses are in the order of a few nanoseconds.

                            • therein 10 hours ago

                              Matter-wave lasers coming soon.

                            • alexalx666 5 hours ago

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                              • mcswell 10 hours ago

                                My (mis?)understanding was that two receivers acting as an interferometer can only resolve things that are on a line parallel with the line between the receivers--so if the receivers are on a horizontal, then they can resolve left and right in their targets, but not up and down. But the images shown in the paper have more or less full 360 degrees resolution. Is that because they rotated the target? The paper says they did, but it's not clear how many increments of partial rotation they did--every 10 degrees, 20,...

                                If the target cannot be rotated, can the two (or more) receivers revolve around a central axis? If so, presumably one of the receivers could revolve around the other (fixed) receiver to the same effect.

                                • admash a day ago

                                  Presumably this could be used for color imaging by using lasers of different wavelengths?

                                  • kulahan 15 hours ago

                                    If it’s truly just like the methods astrophysicists use for transit imaging, you might even be able to do some funky stuff like monitor invisible gasses. Could potentially be revolutionary for things like fume safety and viral spread tracking, among other uses. Might even be able to analyze liquids in a container without having to touch the liquid (the name for this type of testing evades me at the moment)

                                    • jdiff 20 hours ago

                                      I believe it'd be pretty wonky coloring, or at least it could be, since it'd be capturing snapshots of individual frequency responses. If something is visibly green, reflecting across most of the greenish areas of spectrum, but happens to absorb the exact frequency of the laser, it'd appear black when imaged this way. Or at least not green.

                                    • 1minusp a day ago

                                      i think the applications to spy-craft could be quite interesting here. Something for the next mission impossible movie maybe?

                                      • aerostable_slug 16 hours ago

                                        It's also interesting to consider that they may be reinventing prior classified research.

                                        • greggsy 10 hours ago

                                          Trivial to eliminate through window treatments and training to mitigate should-surfing risks.

                                          It’s probably more valuable as a surveillance and monitoring tool than an espionage one, but they would no doubt be the first customers (if not already).

                                        • bzmrgonz 17 hours ago

                                          the reflective material requirement seems to be a limiting factor, so most likely application would be license plate reading?? They didn't mention anything about moving targets, but I guess space debris is also moving so maybe as an added layer to LiDAR??

                                          • knotimpressed a day ago

                                            I wonder if the requirement to rotate the target is inherent, or if it could be optimized away eventually?

                                            • stevemadere a day ago

                                              I suspect this was an easy way to test it without having to build a rotatable optical bench.

                                              A practical device may be an array of light sources and telescopes on a rotating mount or a set of moveable mirrors that achieve the same effect.

                                              • nkrisc a day ago

                                                If it is required, then in a real application you could just rotate the laser array instead.

                                                • Noumenon72 21 hours ago

                                                  I also wonder about the requirement for the letters to be made of reflective material.

                                                  • xnx a day ago

                                                    Or rotate the telescopes

                                                  • ck2 a day ago

                                                    My favorite "lasers at distance" thing will be when amateurs can get a few photons back from the mirrors left on the moon

                                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment...

                                                    Not quite there yet at the amateur level, private industry soon, but then there is the question of safety to air traffic.

                                                    Can you imagine the first moon data link? JWST has 8mbps

                                                  • roschdal 7 hours ago

                                                    Except when it's raining

                                                    • erikerikson 21 hours ago

                                                      How does this compare to the state of the art?

                                                      • codeulike 20 hours ago

                                                        ... but only if its written on shiny paper