• tasuki 11 hours ago

    Wow, the first chart on that web page is really, really ugly. It has these weird 3-d effects that look like from 2001. All it's missing are reflections...

    • ajnin 9 hours ago

      A real throwback, I remember using JFreeChart back in 2006 or so. Looks like the design hasn't changed a bit since then. That's thanks to Java's backwards compatibility ethos I suppose ...

      • omneity 11 hours ago

        I read your comment first and was like it can’t be that bad. I then opened the page, scrolled frantically down and boy oh boy were you right.

        • specproc 10 hours ago

          Title needs a correction: Hideous charts with JRuby and JFreeChart.

      • npongratz 12 hours ago

        > Everyone loves pie!

        Oh gosh, no! Count me among those who greatly dislike pie charts in almost every context.

        "Almost never use a pie chart for data"

        https://theconversation.com/heres-why-you-should-almost-neve...

        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38912534

        • tmoertel 9 hours ago

          In early 1990s I worked at a mid-sized software company making software to help big businesses do big-business stuff. One day, another programmer pops into my cube and says:

          "Hey, how do you draw a 3d pie chart?"

          "What?" I asked. "Why?"

          "Well, Excel can do them. And somebody saw one. Now they want our software to draw them."

          "Are you serious?"

          "Yes, I need it like now. I'm supposed to demo it later today."

          So I get out a sheet of paper, draw some triangles, and work out that projection math. He walks away with the paper. Half an hour later, he calls me over.

          "Hey, it's a 3d pie chart!"

          And there it was: On a screen I was all too familiar with, where the 2d pie chart used to be, was a squat 3d pie chart, looking like it was a fat inch thick. Of course, there was too much margin above and below, because of the flatter aspect ratio, but hey, it was 3d and it was good enough for a demo.

          I think that was the first day I realized that programming can be used for evil.

          • hinkley 6 hours ago

            3d pie charts are literally the devil.

            It's 3d pie charts, dot charts, pie charts, and any chart that has the origin set to greater than 0 in descending order of evilness.

            We need a ## anniversary edition of Lying with Statistics.

          • nritchie 9 hours ago

            Being able to add an interpreted script engine to a Java application is a super-power for some uses. I embedded a Jython (Python in the JVM) command line into a Java Swing app to provide a level of flexibility that I never could with a GUI. Every time I look at JRuby I wonder if Jython was the right choice. It is too late now but JRuby looks awfully nice.

            • sabslikesobs 2 hours ago

              Very cool. I'm one of the few (it seems) who likes these styles of chart, so that was a nice surprise.

              I love Ruby, and one of my few qualms about using it is that it doesn't really have any cross-platform GUI libraries. Someday I'll try building one in JRuby...

              • brightball 11 hours ago

                That’s really impressive! Not the chart itself, but seeing how easy it is to use any existing Java library from within a Ruby codebase is super cool.

                Ruby already has a pretty incredible gem ecosystem but having all things Java available too really adds tremendous utility.

                Love JRuby. Thanks for all of the hard work headius!

                • gitroom 8 hours ago

                  tbh those old 3d charts just crack me up - i remember seeing stuff like that in early office programs. you ever feel like some trends just stick around for way too long even when better stuff exists?

                  • headius 2 days ago

                    Why use C, Python, or JavaScript to generate charts for your Ruby applications? Use JRuby and it's so much easier!

                    • mberning 11 hours ago

                      Thank you for all your work on JRuby. I love it.

                      • headius 7 hours ago

                        I'm glad you find it useful!

                    • codr7 8 hours ago

                      One word, Tufte; read them all, then read them again.

                      • knowitnone 12 hours ago

                        article complains about a ruby gem(Charty) calling a python library(matplotlib) yet author is running Ruby in Java so they can access some Java library!

                        • vidarh 11 hours ago

                          I don't even like Java/JVM, and I still think that is more reasonable than running a gem that embeds Python.

                          • brightball 11 hours ago

                            The Ruby code is already running on the JVM so utilizing the library isn’t calling out to another runtime to execute like you normally would have to in order to do something like this.

                            • fiddlerwoaroof 8 hours ago

                              The whole point of the JVM is that languages don’t need to be limited to the low-level types C FFI forces you into.

                            • dismalaf 11 hours ago

                              https://github.com/ruby-numo/numo-gnuplot

                              There's always good 'ol Gnuplot and it's many wrappers... This one looks nice.