• jawns 4 days ago

    There is a real danger that obituaries of people in the early 21st century will become inaccessible to future generations due to obituary rot:

    https://shaungallagher.pressbin.com/blog/obituary-rot.html

    > An unfortunate side effect of this move to digital-only obits will likely only become apparent a few decades from now, and it will likely frustrate the next few generations of genealogists hunting for records of early 21st century ancestors.

    > Print newspapers were well suited for both the distribution and preservation of obituaries. Distribution isn’t a problem for digital obituaries, and in many ways the web is better than print in this respect. But when it comes to preservation, there are many factors that make digital obits in their current state particularly susceptible to rot.

    • JohnMakin 3 days ago

      There's another outstanding use of obituaries - genealogy research.

      My paternal grandfather had some issues with his racial lineage and left home at a very early age after his dad died to join the military to fight in Korea. For whatever reason he ended up adopting a name he was not born under - his father's - and kept it a secret his whole life and didn't tell a soul. it wasn't uncovered what he had done until decades later when his mother died and his birth certificate was found in her belongings.

      When trying to figure out who his dad's family was, where no one in the family really had any idea and in the past they had a lot of incentive to hide their ancestry and keep their records inaccurate/incomplete (this was during one-drop law times, where people would hide marriages and assume fake identities all the time to avoid persecution). I was stuck for months until someone mentioned using newspapers.com archive to try to see if anything came up (not a plug, this service is genuinely amazing).

      Jackpot! Public records often lie, but obituaries rarely do. I was able to piece together his paternal side's relatives via obituaries (who leave surviving relative names quite often) and found his precise lineage all the way back to the 1850's and before emancipation, something that is typically quite hard to do. Could not have possibly done it without obituaries.

      • dredmorbius 4 days ago

        Obits are among my idea-stirring hacks. Some thoughts on why they work, and some similar ones.

        Obits are written long in advance. I noticed following Jorge Bergoglio's death that NPR's obit was written (and voiced, in the newscast / headlines) by Silvia Poggioli, though she'd retired from the network in 2023 (here: <https://www.npr.org/2025/04/21/1013050313/pope-francis-dead>). This means that they're both well-researched and polished writing, unlike most breaking news coverage. They also compress a lifetime into a few paragraphs (~75 in the case of Poggioli's article), which tends to bring out highlights.

        Another format that often brings out interesting ideas, outside my own area of expertise: interviews. Especially with those not from the worlds of politics or mainstream business. All the better, historical interviews, from earlier times. These often give either perspectives on a different world, or a perspective on circumstances which presage the world we find ourselves in now.

        Terry Gross's "Fresh Air" and the Studs Terkel archive are two particularly excellent examples. As I'm expanding my language comprehension, interviews and histories in foreign languages are another excellent option.

        A third option: academic author interviews. The New Books Network has poor production values (bonus: well-produced audio is almost certainly a skippable ad) and a large number of duds, but where it hits the topics are almost always well outside the mainstream but at the same time the product of expertise. There's a huge back-catalogue:

        <https://newbooksnetwork.com/>

        • qubex 4 days ago

          An old Russian joke:

          A guy keeps going to the newsagent: he scans the headlines and then leaves.

          The newsagent sees him do this a few days in a row and finds it to be strange behaviour, so one day he asks him:

          “Comrade, what are you doing? Can I help you?”

          “Thank you comrade, but I’m only interested in the obituaries.”

          “But comrade, the obituaries are at the back!”

          “Not the ones I am looking for, comrade!”

          • gwern 4 days ago

            > It’s not just about learning new facts, of course — it’s about asking questions. Why was a British mystic in Mexico City? How did Spanish-language television evolve in the U.S.? What led someone to invent PLAX or build search tools for financial news decades before Google? Even if you don’t find all the answers, just posing the questions helps you flex the creative muscle that thrives on curiosity and connection.

            Maybe wait until you have at least 1 anecdote, anywhere in the history of the world, of major creativity from reading an obituary, before recommending it?

            • billfruit 4 days ago

              I think its hardly that much of an interesting idea. Reading wide ofcourse is useful and interesting. But I doubt reading obituaries are the best way to go about that.

              One approach that I often do, is to go to fivebooks.com when an any random subject or topic strikes me and then try to read the books their interviewees have recommended on that topic. I have found many interesting books in this way.

              Like their lists about the Spanish Civil war lead me to 'Forging of a Rebel' by Arturo Barea.

              Another source is to look into famous/interesting peoples reading lists. Many famous people including Gandhi, Tolstoy and others kept lists of all books that they read.

              • kayo_20211030 4 days ago

                I like obits as much as the next person, maybe more. But the premise of the piece very much depends on a particular definition of creativity; and then tries, and fails, to extend it to reading obits. If it's defined as something novel, then a priori it can't be obvious and therefore is likely to be an association between distant concepts - a statement of the obvious. Mednick might be right; but an extrapolation to obits, as in the original piece, is unjustified, and definitely unproven. Velcro wasn't invented because someone read an obit; it's good, impressive, but just regular creativity. Gentner posits an obvious truism, but its relationship to obits is tenuous at best, again unjustified, and just probably wrong.

                The whole piece would be begging the question were there a question. It's a statement of faith.

                • Wistar 4 days ago

                  I have a lifelong friend who is a very successful investor and who has been habitually reading obits since his high school days. I recall his explaining that obits served as an opportunity radar.

                  • ChrisMarshallNY 4 days ago

                    > one popular piece of advice for boosting creativity is to learn something new every day. But here’s the catch: This only works if that new information is very different from what’s already in your head.

                    This is a good distinction.

                    I make it a point to hang with folks from vastly different backgrounds from me.

                    I can get some very good (and bad) ideas from them.

                    • ghaff 4 days ago

                      The Economist obits are especially worth reading.

                      • bix6 4 days ago

                        Related, new era obits and celebrations (I am affiliated): https://www.chptr.com/

                        My father unexpectedly passed away a few years ago so this stuff is especially close to my heart.

                        I’ve learned a lot from lives of others so think this is wonderful advice for finding gems and remembering the normal goodness that exists in this world.

                        • constantinum 4 days ago

                          There is an excellent documentary on behind-the-scenes workings of the obituary editorial team at NYT. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgpMNerK9cU&pp=ygURT2JpdHMgZG9...

                          • croisillon 3 days ago

                            Related: Obituary for a quiet life (303 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40028643

                              When the notable figures of our day pass away, they wind up on our screens, short clips documenting their achievements, talking heads discussing their influence. The quiet lives, though, pass on soundlessly in the background. And yet those are the lives in our skin, guiding us from breakfast to bed. They’re the lives that have made us, that keep the world turning.
                            • androng 4 days ago

                              i like this advice. when trying to come up with new characters for fiction its very difficult to come up with something you don't already know but with this you have real people with their entire life story summarized for free.

                              • pnw 4 days ago

                                Interestingly the second person listed has their own Wikipedia page.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Garfinkle

                                • fifticon 3 days ago

                                  also, if you read them daily, once you have read the day's section: If you are not in it, you have the rest of that day to do what you want!

                                  • badmonster 4 days ago

                                    such a simple, beautiful hack - using life stories from unexpected places to stretch your mind and spark creative leaps you’d never plan for.

                                    • kazinator 4 days ago

                                      Whenever I see a "X has died" subject on the front page of HN, I invoke a personal rule that if I haven't heard of the person, I skip it. You dying shouldn't be what gets my attention.

                                      Of course, there are long dead historic figures that we know about. But being dead is rarely the very first thing you learn about them.

                                      • chairmansteve 4 days ago

                                        A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it ...

                                        Max Planck

                                        • taubek 3 days ago

                                          In my country obituaries like the ones in the picture are not published often. Maybe for some diginaties, in a form of necrologue.

                                          • fedeb95 3 days ago

                                            related advice: go to your local library and look at books in fields you don't know anything about. Find the most unusual book cover and title (compared to the others in the same section). That's usually something you want to read.

                                            Works best in big libraries.

                                            • Triphibian 4 days ago

                                              The obituary they run in the back of The Economist is an excellent place to start.