• bangaladore 5 hours ago

    Reminds me of movfuscator [1]. This can compile programs to movs and only movs.

    [1] https://github.com/Battelle/movfuscator

    • LPisGood 4 hours ago

      Battelle is great. They also created some software called Cantor Dust [1] that turns files into images to allow humans to easily spot obfuscated data or files.

      The sad thing about this kind of work, because I love it, is that to get paid to do it you need clearances and polygraphs and periodic reinvestigations/continuous monitoring and all sorts of things that I find unpleasant.

      [1] https://github.com/Battelle/cantordust

      • mmastrac 3 hours ago

        I'm not sure what you mean but I was a security researcher for a large company for a bit and required none of that. I was required to work airgapped at home, however.

        • LPisGood 2 hours ago

          Really? You were doing offensive security work not for a government (/contractor)? What sorts companies, aside from some enterprise pen testers, employ these roles?

          • mmastrac 2 hours ago

            Email is in my profile -- happy to clarify/share some very rough details if you'd like.

      • beng-nl 2 hours ago

        Agreed that is a fine piece of work. But the author is Chris Domas. Which is plain from the repo readme, but it’d be clearer to link to his repo.

    • tromp 5 hours ago

      Am I right in deducing that this language gets its power from self-modifying code? I.e. flipping bits within addresses of the opcodes of the running program?

      • tomhee 5 hours ago

        You are indeed right

        • tromp 4 hours ago

          I would have expected the language documentation to focus more on this observation and to explain for instance how self modification is used to implement while loops. But I don't even see the term mentioned anywhere?!

    • jkrshnmenon 4 hours ago

      I wonder if someone has already made a Reverse Engineering CTF challenge for this concept.

      • og2023 2 hours ago

        I read it as reverse engineering WTF challenge... cool stuff though, seriously.

        • tomhee 3 hours ago
          • jkrshnmenon 2 hours ago

            I would also be very curious to see if it's possible to make a decompiler for this type of obfuscated program.

        • pizza 3 hours ago

          Ah interesting.. wonder if you can model this with a recursively expanded algebraic expression. I've been thinking lately along similar lines about polynomials that encode pushdown automata, so this is cool to see.

          • tomhee 3 hours ago

            If you have an answer I'd be happy to hear it!

          • tomhee 6 hours ago

            There is also a brainfuck to flipjump compiler: https://github.com/tomhea/bf2fj

            • david-gpu 4 hours ago

              Ah, the convenience of brainfuck with the performance of flipjump. Excellent.

            • tonetegeatinst 2 hours ago

              Looking forward to the poor security researcher who gets to reverse engineer some malware sample they compiles this into for obfuscation... Its going to be an interesting blog post.

              • dlcarrier 4 hours ago

                Maxim (now owned by Analog) actually manufactures a single-instruction processor series, called MAXQ. It uses a single move instruction, with a flag for literals, and a transport triggered architecture.

                • tomhee 4 hours ago

                  By the way, as a challenge, try how you can program an "If" statement in Flipjump.

                  • platz 5 hours ago

                    How is a jump realized by Not Gates?

                    • tomhee 4 hours ago

                      I dont think that the jump can be realized by NOT gates, but it's essentially "where to find the next NOT command". The jump is indeed a crucial part of the language, as it allows going back, and especially to make self-modifying code.

                      • Jerrrry 4 hours ago

                        I'm guessing by not jumping into a terminating/ halting NOOP.

                        The logic is within the branching.

                      • jumploops 4 hours ago

                        AND, OR, NOT - pick 2

                        • sroussey 3 hours ago

                          NOR - pick 1

                        • artemonster 4 hours ago

                          Id appreciate more explanations from the power of combined bitflip & goto

                        • dang 6 hours ago

                          Looks like we banned you and this domain because of the egregious vote manipulation and bogus comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856792.

                          That was a long time ago, though, and the project is interesting enough, so I'm going to assume you've learned your lesson and unban you. Please stop using multiple accounts for this though!

                          • tomhee 6 hours ago

                            Thanks man, I appreciate it.

                            • jimbob45 6 hours ago

                              Dang, I have to know what triggered you to say this. It’s not the same user account so you would have had to have recognized the URL and written based on that.

                              Do you keep notes on each astroturfed submission and auto-trigger reposts to notify yourself? Or did you just happen to recognize this? 20 minutes from his post to your comment is absurdly good moderation.

                              • dang 5 hours ago

                                https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42742462 was on the front page. We got an email suggesting that the URL should be https://github.com/tomhea/c2fj instead of https://github.com/tomhea/flip-jump. That made sense, except it turned out that github.com/tomhea was banned. That seemed odd because we don't normally ban github domains, so I looked at the history https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=github.com%2Ftomhea (most of which will only be visible to users who have 'showdead' set to 'yes' in their profile), and it was pretty easy to see that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856792 was, let's call it, the original sin in this chain of woe. It was also pretty obvious that the other submitting accounts were all related. Since the project itself is interesting I figured the best thing to do was give the submitter a second chance, so I picked the earlier post from today (the OP) and swapped it out for the other one (42742462).

                                I hope that answers your question!

                                • doormatt 4 hours ago

                                  You sir, are amazing. Thank you for being so utterly transparent.