> They have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking, and other technologies that are connected to the internet
Well, that's the problem right there! Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.
So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car.
In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car.
None of those require constant internet conectivity.
> So no drive assist features, no voice assistants, no maps, no music streaming. These are pretty normal features for a modern car.
Great. F ‘em all. AEB and a manually operated limiter is all one needs. Maps? In-car db works well, they are updated anyway every so often. Anyway, who cares about maps when every car manufacturer tries to sell me subpar android auto or some other carplay.
> In the meantime, your phone has all that tech and much more, is with you in the car at all times, and is also made in China…
Your phone doesn’t drive around the city filming every damn thing. Mine is either in the pocket or in a door bin.
Now, you can of course choose to walk around the city with a phone streaming everything directly on the internet but you’ll definitely make yourself visible arguing with a group of cops about your 1st amendment rights every couple hundred yards.
> Well, that's the problem right there!
No, you no underestand. That no problem. That solution. Chinese and Russians problem. /s
> Let's stop with all that nonsense, and then we won't have to worry about where the firmware comes from.
The collected data wants to be sold. /s
Another protectionist measure to help the laggards in the us auto industry. Will they be condemned to serve just the US market while the Chinese firms eat the rest of South America, Africa, Asia, and Europe?
Europe too seems willing to install protectionist policies to help its own laggards while they’re trying to "catch up".
However, it seems unlikely the me that they will (on the long term) — unless they find some huge surprise reservoir of rare earths somewhere within their borders.
I’m not sure how much they will add at this point, Chinese brands are already selling in Europe.
BMW meanwhile is wasting more time on fuel cells.
The Chinese auto industry was built upon IP theft from the Americans and Germans. F them.
"IP theft" is an extremely broad term, especially as it seems to be applied to every single Chinese industry. What was stolen? Who was found guilty of that theft?
Without clear specifics, it's about as relevant as saying Jobs stole the idea of MacOS from a Xerox PARC demo. Ideas are cheap, execution is what matters.
It's only fair, given that the American industrial revolution itself was built on IP theft; every developing nation takes its turn.
"Intellectual property" is an economic policy, not a moral imperative.
It can be both, and the balance shifts to whichever option is more convenient at the time.
They’ve actually hired most of the brains that used to work for western auto makers. That’s the free market at work.
So they stole EV IP and then created better and cheaper versions of cars that most Americans and German companies don’t sell?
> better and cheaper
Well they are definitely cheaper
Same arguments as when the Japanese brands entered the NA market.
Except the US had not willfully transferred to Japan all its best engineers and designers, steel production, factories and entire supply chains. The argument is ten times as dumb now.
Ford CEO thinks Chinese EVs are better.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a62694325/ford-ceo-jim-far...
> The Chinese auto industry was built upon IP theft from the Americans
You mean 4 wheels and a steering wheel ? /s
US stopped having IP in cars a long time ago. Damn, even Ford wanted to close its shop some years ago.
I think America retreating behind the ramparts is going to adversely affect other countries in the short term, but will create valuable self sufficiency in them in the long term.
Won’t it affect America as well? Yes, it buys time, but also delays innovation, disrupts global supply chains and ultimately means costlier American cars no?
Oh, yes, sorry I thought that was a given.
Does an esp32 count as Chinese hardware?
Espressif are a Chinese company so I would imagine so. Although you shouldn't find an ESP32 on a car anyway, they are not automotive grade parts.
I wish I could import a BYD vehicle.
Same, the price without tariffs is my reference point now, I'll not be buying an overpriced domestic car just because some politicians get their pockets lined
BYD has just cut the prices of *ALL* of its cars by about $9000 per car in Australia. The cheapest car the Dolphin is about USD 19,000.
> "Cars today aren't just steel on wheels – they're computers,"
Okay, but are we putting such import restrictions on computers?
I'm actually pretty okay with certain bans based on national security grounds, but they should do a better job distinguishing between the types of hardware and software that could be potentially problematic and actually do an industry-wide ban. Otherwise this is rightfully going to be picked apart on protectionist grounds.
It's because America has been known for it's car market for the past 100 years. China's car market is huge and growing. Look at the lineup of vehicles here vs China for companies like Ford. They have more models being sold in China than they do here. Trump is really pushing to bring manufacturing back to Detroit from Mexico as well.
> It's because America has been known for it's car market for the past 100 years
Of course, in EU is knowledge that it is better to avoid American cars. Ford seems to be the exception though.
Wow - I did not expect this.
I think it is the right approach.
But does it violate Free Speech rights?
> But does it violate Free Speech rights?
I'd expect that foreigners don't have the same rights as the constitution would grant a citizen. The same goes with a reasonable right to privacy - it generally only applies to citizens. The US government isn't there to protect the world (though they may appear to try sometimes).
Europe has *MUCH* higher standards for freedom than America. Europe has privacy and America does not.
Nonsense. Europe has more rules around the sharing of personal information, but that's because literally everyone in Europe demands your personal information. I've never been asked for more personal information than when living in Europe.
"You want to ride a train? Sure, what's your mandatory national identification number? You want to register for our little video streaming website? Sure, please enter the home address you've registered with the Ministry of the Interior. Failing to report your official registered address correctly on our sign up form is a crime. Failing to register your new address with the Ministry upon moving is a crime."
I don't hesitate to put wrong addresses/names/data on all but the most important forms here in the USA. Email addresses? Catchall address to be whatever I want. Phone number? A rejection hotline or online burner number works a lot of the time.
Agreed, but that's not quite my point. In Europe, you're asked for a lot more personal information than you and I may be used to, and it's actually verified a lot more than you may expect. You don't generally need to hand over your SSN to book an Amtrak ticket. In Europe, you not only often do, but you may well find yourself expected to present documents to verify it once you get to the train station (e.g. Spain).
Virtually every business, including purely online services, will want your full address (and will often verify that the address is a real residential address by sending it to some dodgy identity-verifying third party). Very few websites will be content with a username and password. This can rise into the absurd, such as not being able to book a table at a restaurant without verifying your personal information with a dodgy B2B provider of identity services. You may have bad anecdotes of your own, but this is really a much more systematic issue in Europe than elsewhere. Europe has lots of privacy laws not because they're taking some benevolent stance against US tech, but because Europe has a genuine problem protecting their citizens' privacy on a day to day basis.
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