• DriftRegion 3 months ago

    Anyone know more about the payload? Here's what I've found: It's carrying the "Blue Ring Pathfinder Payload", part of the "Dark-Sky 1 Mission"

    > Dark-Sky 1 is jointly funded by DIU and Blue Origin. [5]

    DIU is "The Pentagon’s commercial technology arm, the Defense Innovation Unit"

    [1] https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blue-ring-pathfinder-payload

    [2] https://www.diu.mil/latest/companies-selected-for-diu-orbita...

    [3] https://www.meritalk.com/articles/diu-orbital-logistics-awar...

    [4] https://www.geekwire.com/2024/blue-origin-ring-darksky-1/

    [5] https://spacenews.com/defense-innovation-unit-awards-three-c...

    • rubzah 3 months ago

      "Dark Sky" funded by the Pentagon. Sounds chipper.

      • findthewords 3 months ago

        If there's anything in the name, I would guess an anti-satellite EMP.

        • baq 3 months ago

          They did meaningful mission badges in NROL a few decades ago, someone found the birds thanks to that and they stopped. Best to assume nothing.

          • aa-jv 3 months ago

            If that were the case it'd be just another treaty violation from out of control spooks.

            • lupusreal 3 months ago

              China is testing FOBS weapons, any relevant treaty is already a joke.

              • aa-jv 3 months ago

                "We broke the treaty because they broke the treaty" fails as an argument when Both Sides™ use it, though.

                • lupusreal 3 months ago

                  It doesn't really matter if the argument is morally satisfying.

                  • aa-jv 3 months ago

                    The moral altitude is a fallacy, however.

        • raverbashing 3 months ago

          I wonder if it might need some extra mass simulators (probably not depending on how heavy the payload is)

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                • dotancohen 3 months ago

                  Welcome to HN. Don't post memes here, only posts that add value. If you want to post memes, try Reddit or Digg. But if you have additional context or information to add, then your input is appreciated.

                  • doublerabbit 3 months ago

                    Ah Yes. HM were the simplest jest of enjoyment will get you downvoted.

                • moffkalast 3 months ago

                  I'm sure the weather will git gud soon.

                • evil-olive 3 months ago

                  with every other rocket launch livestream I've watched (SpaceX, NASA, Rocket Lab, etc) when there's a delay they would announce it explicitly.

                  instead, it was at T-18min, they spent a few minutes talking about how fancy the engines were, and then finish with "alright, with 35 minutes left on the countdown..."

                  edit: they did it again. 11 minutes, they've pretty clearly told the talking heads to vamp, so they're rambling about how cool the "rocket park" is (and how they had to relocate a bunch of turtles while building it) and meanwhile the countdown disappears for a few seconds then resets to 38 minutes.

                  • Tepix 3 months ago

                    They really need to establish communications to let the viewers know why they are adding time to the clock.

                    • gmueckl 3 months ago

                      Cynically, this feels like Corporate Messaging 101: don't ever admit that anything bad happened. Ignore it if you can. If you can't anymore, spin it into something positive at all costs. If it's bad news, be as vague and euphemistic as possible.

                      • 93po 3 months ago

                        To be fair, SpaceX did/does(?) the same thing - they use pretty opaque messaging when things went wrong early on. And do stuff like deliberately not show explosion footage on the live stream.

                        • Tepix 3 months ago

                          They do sometimes give reasons for a stopped countdown such as "an issue with a valve" or "a boat in the wrong area".

                        • dailykoder 3 months ago

                          "An error occured. Please try again later"

                          • gmueckl 3 months ago

                            Can't use the word "error" in corp speak. "Something unexpected happened." Or maybe just "Oops."

                            Sometimes this extreme spin just makes me angry, to be honest.

                            • falcor84 3 months ago

                              "An unexpexted error..."

                              If you skimp on testing, errors are always unexpected.

                          • dotancohen 3 months ago

                            It also took SpaceX some time to figure out how to communicate scrubs to the viewers. I think they guy's name was Inspruker who did a really good job of keeping us up to date even when he was lacking official information. This was back before they were landing the rockets, when we'd wait literally months between Falcon launches.

                            So SpaceX has had a decade of figuring out what, and how, to inform the viewers. Blue Origin might not be comfortable with that yet.

                            • mrguyorama 3 months ago

                              SpaceX still insists on being cagey too. I watched a launch a while back where the center stage failed to land itself, and the hosts pretty obviously were instructed to beat around the bush and pretend nothing was wrong ("A telemetry failure" as you could see it in the video footage belly flopping into the ground) and do literally anything other than admit the center stage had a minor failure that resulted in it's loss. Like it's not even a big deal, the boosters were right then having a picture perfect landing.

                              But a profit driven company cannot be honest about anything ever. Honesty is never as profitable as being extremely controlling about the information you share.

                              I consider this a huge negative of the privatisation of space. When the Shuttle killed people, we could expect great transparency and a general peeling back of the curtain. The public got to learn that their government agency was suffering from management failures by loser managers unwilling to face reality.

                              We will not get that same transparency when a SpaceX rocket inevitably kills someone. Especially with Musk hanging around the oval office.

                          • DriftRegion 3 months ago

                            "if we're adding time to the clock, it means that the team thinks that there might be a possibility that they can sort it out"

                            • whycome 3 months ago

                              Yeah it’s really taking their audience for granted. Not a good first look

                              • fsloth 3 months ago

                                Audience? You mean all the space clients like Nasa, DoD and zillions of new space satellite vendors like IceEye etc? The public stream is nice to have but not critical.

                                I personally felt it was obvious when the countdown was reset. IMHO the show before countdown from 10s to zero is just filler.

                                • whycome 3 months ago

                                  Literal audience. It’s a public broadcast/stream with a director and host and production design. It’s a deliberate choice to include it as part of their venture. There is value in the positive public opinion of the launch and coverage.

                                  • echoangle 3 months ago

                                    They have some production value in the stream though, so it looks like they’re trying to make it appealing. It’s probably a recruitment tool for them.

                                    • sbuttgereit 3 months ago

                                      Audience as in taxpayers perhaps.

                                      Whether informing the public directly or indirectly by communicating with the press about the products they want public agencies to purchase isn't critical, but it could be important. Having a public that already warmly embraces your company, or at least is warmly embraced by those that might be vocal in support or not, could make some projects easier to sell vs. a public that is indifferent or even hostile.

                                      • fsloth 3 months ago

                                        There was never harm in positive publicity - even though I think the ”new space” operators targets commercial payloads foremost. Blue origin would not become Boeing but a logistical service provider, something like Maersk, chugging in the background.

                                    • ragebol 3 months ago

                                      You know what's a worse look: showing your viewers 1000s of little rockets parts. Looks cool perhaps, but doesn't inspire confidence either.

                                      But damn it's annoying those delays

                                    • jjallen 3 months ago

                                      The alternative is to not adjust the clock and let it run out and not launch at all then?

                                      Do you really think that’s better?

                                      I don’t.

                                      • evil-olive 3 months ago

                                        > The alternative is to not adjust the clock and let it run out and not launch at all then?

                                        holy false dichotomy, Batman

                                        • mkl 3 months ago

                                          The alternative is simply to adjust the clock and say why.

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                                        • yellowapple 3 months ago

                                          Had a feeling that'd happen when the countdown jumped to T-00:00:00 then disappeared forever.

                                          Oh well.

                                        • Laremere 3 months ago

                                          If you are reading this in the future, or just prefer YouTube, Edit: Blue origin is streaming it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/OOEPTWQrN7A

                                          Original: the AP is restreaming the launch here: https://www.youtube.com/live/Yb-27DvLcN8?si=W1Qt7DfaSz7yxuL9

                                        • willvarfar 3 months ago

                                          What's the normal vibe on how it feels to work for Bezos on Blue Origin and how does it compare to working for Musk at SpaceX? Is one feeling like startup vs the other feeling like enterprise, or does one feel like the boss is too involved and the other too distant, etc?

                                          • _moof 3 months ago

                                            Can't speak for Blue but SpaceX felt like an aerospace company, and Musk had next to nothing to do with my day-to-day there.

                                            • freeqaz 3 months ago

                                              I had a close friend who was at Blue for a few years under Bob Smith (former CEO). It wasn't great. Just a toxic culture it seemed like, and their HQ is a giant stretch fabric tent with terrible acoustics lol

                                              • exmadscientist 3 months ago

                                                Everyone I know locally who has worked for SpaceX has had pretty negative things to say about it overall.

                                                Everyone I know locally who has worked for Blue Origin has had extremely negative things to say about it, pretty much without qualification.

                                                So, not great!

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                                                • admissionsguy 3 months ago

                                                  or does one feel like a tech company, the other like a government agency?

                                                • whycome 3 months ago

                                                  This is going to get scrubbed I think. So many pushbacks. They should make scrubbed missions retain the flight designation and the new flight should get a new number.

                                                  “Anomalies” “workarounds” “off-nominal situations” “whatever they’re finding that may be a little bit off” are all words you don’t wanna hear at launch I guess.

                                                  Okay that’s probably one too many delays now. I’ll have to see if it launches in the morn

                                                  • baq 3 months ago

                                                    Nobody would be surprised if they scrubbed today, frankly it'll be more surprising if they launch.

                                                    Space is hard.

                                                  • golol 3 months ago

                                                    If they stick the landing first try I'm really impressed abd SpaceX has real competition.

                                                    • Polizeiposaune 3 months ago

                                                      In the words of the Steve Miller Band:

                                                      T0 keeps on slippin', slippin', slippin'

                                                      Into the future

                                                      • labster 3 months ago

                                                        Hopefully we’ll fly like an eagle

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                                                      • purpleidea 3 months ago

                                                        I'm staying up to see Blue Origin crash their rocket into the barge, but they keep pushing back the launch so idk if it's even going to take off :/

                                                        • BozeWolf 3 months ago

                                                          Hold on, some engineer is doing a few last git commits to make it work. When cicd job is done, t0 in 10minutes.

                                                          • purpleidea 3 months ago

                                                            I always genuinely wondered how close to the various launches someone actually runs `git commit`.

                                                            One day our ancestors will look back on this time and wonder why we all re-developed similar code over and over again, instead of sharing it with copyleft and spending our energy as a society solving real problems like disease, fundamental physics, and so on...

                                                            • throw5959 3 months ago

                                                              Future generations will be dumbfounded why didn't everyone just ask the computer to get what they need.

                                                              • panick21_ 3 months ago

                                                                They have costume avionics and costume ground system. The hardware both on the rocket and the launch site is just completely different. And likely plugs into back-ends that are pretty company specific. I question how much of that code can reasonably unified.

                                                                And why only talk about software? You can make the same argument for the avionics hardware, hell you can make the argument for the whole rocket. And if you just think this far enough you can just make the socialism argument "why have 2 companies at all, only have 1 (potentially government) company (ie Design Bureau) that enough". And that argument generally doesn't work, doing the same thing multiple times to figure out what is best isn't such a bad idea.

                                                                > disease, fundamental physics, and so on

                                                                We need space and rockets to research fundamental physics. Diseases get researched in space all the time. Making access to space cheaper has lead to more companies wanting to do more with space research.

                                                                • swed420 3 months ago

                                                                  > One day our ancestors will look back on this time

                                                                  "You see, capitalism was indeed a necessary and inevitable bootstrapping phase of human development. Even Marx agreed this was the case. However, by the 21st century, generations had been indoctrinated to an extent that left them assuming capitalism was an unalterable and fundamental law of nature, instead of the global existential threat it had evolved into by its late stages."

                                                                • blahyawnblah 3 months ago

                                                                  Job failed with transient error with 23 seconds to go

                                                                  • steve_taylor 3 months ago

                                                                    Not if GitHub Actions goes down again

                                                                  • Klaus23 3 months ago

                                                                    New Glenn has the throttle range to hover and they test more than SpaceX. You will probably be disappointed.

                                                                    • somenameforme 3 months ago

                                                                      Testing in simulations and testing in reality are radically different. I hadn't actually heard anything about this until now but I'd be surprised if they're giving themselves more than a 10% chance of success, assuming it's an orbital test. Looking things up, it turns out that the booster is named "So You're Telling Me There's a Chance", and that is probably not entirely tongue in cheek!

                                                                      • Klaus23 3 months ago

                                                                        The chances of the rocket reaching orbit on the first attempt are not too bad. Ariane 6 did it and only failed on the third engine relight.

                                                                        Nailing the landing is a lot trickier, but if they have any early problems they would ditch it in the sea. They would have to have a problem just before landing for the rocket to take out the barge. If you want to count tipping over as a crash, that would make it more likely, but still less than SpaceX because of the soft landing and more legs.

                                                                        • somenameforme 3 months ago

                                                                          Those barges can withstand a ridiculous amount of force - it'll be standing at the end of the day regardless of what happens. But I generally agree. I think the orbital test is likely to succeed, but landing on the first go - that would be simply epic. There's just too many unknown unknowns to go straight to success IMO, but I'd love to be proven wrong!

                                                                          • purpleidea 3 months ago

                                                                            I guess you were wrong, they scrubbed. But do you really think the barge would survive a direct hit? I mean it might not sink but all the equipment on it would be very broken, would it not?

                                                                            • somenameforme 3 months ago

                                                                              A scrub isn't generally considered a failure. Lots of things like the cross winds, weather, and so on have to align in order to try to launch, and those are simply outside your control. And there's a lot of normal variance with the different subsystems that can cause a scrub if anything is sub-nominal. Of course things like the SLS 'scrubbing' over a period of years is a bit different, but I'd call that more of an entire program failing, as opposed to a launch.

                                                                              You can see videos of the SpaceX barges taking multiple direct hits before they managed to start nailing the landings. There's very little exposed equipment and the barges are mostly unharmed.

                                                                      • lutorm 3 months ago

                                                                        Given their development pace, they really must succeed if they want their "slowly and carefully" model to be competitive.

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                                                                      • ragebol 3 months ago

                                                                        T-0 keeps getting pushed back. Nice for them to have this ability technically. Not all rockets can do this AFAIK, at least not as often as I've seen today.

                                                                        Anyone know how often can do this, or what the technical limit it for this (so besides orbit insertion & other trajectory stuff or for reasons of running out the range flight restrictions etc)

                                                                        • bobs_salsa 3 months ago

                                                                          Outside of those mission requirements you mentioned there are also some limitations in any cryo cooled liquids onboard.

                                                                          Either the pressure increases internally, liquid off-gases and needs to be refilled (where there is a finite amount left to use), or risk of components freezing up can all play a factor into how long a rocket can stand on the pad for. As a result it’s less a question of how often can they delay the launch and more a question of how long can the rocket stay out on the pad for you to delay into.

                                                                          Likely a heep of other reasons as well.

                                                                          • ragebol 3 months ago

                                                                            Ah, thought of boil-off already which can of course be replenished. But indeed the tank when that comes from can run out as well of course.

                                                                        • dmead 3 months ago

                                                                          I was at jetty park. I am now frozen. Going back to the hotel. Hopefully they can try again tomorrow.

                                                                          • alex_young 3 months ago

                                                                            Ya’ll need to chill out. How many times does your Prime delivery happen on time? Always an hour or two behind. Same day though.

                                                                            Poor rocket drivers are peeing in soda bottles. That’s what’s holding this thing up. Give science some leeway.

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                                                                              • brainwipe 3 months ago

                                                                                It's scrubbed for today: Blue Origin on Twitter: https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1878715911563313651

                                                                                • _ks3e 3 months ago

                                                                                  What’s the function of the tower near the launch pad with a huge orange fire at its top?

                                                                                  • Laremere 3 months ago

                                                                                    Methane flare. Liquid methane will turn to gas as it warms up, so they need to get rid of it somehow. Nitrogen and oxygen they can just vent. Generally methane is flared to prevent explosive gas buildup and (the worst of) greenhouse gas effects. Sometimes it's cooled back into a liquid, but that is apparently more effort than it's worth because flaring seems common practice.

                                                                                    Edit: just remembered the second stage is hydrogen. So it might be flaring that, or maybe the smaller flare off to the side is hydrogen.

                                                                                  • SeanAnderson 3 months ago

                                                                                    The countdown timer just went up 15 minutes :( Hopefully it doesn't get scrubbed.

                                                                                    • voytec 3 months ago

                                                                                      Is it scrapped? I'm watching with no sound, and the T- timer disappeared.

                                                                                      • mkl 3 months ago

                                                                                        The commentators stopped speaking a while ago - the sound is just ambient.

                                                                                      • rvz 3 months ago

                                                                                        Competition is needed in this space. Hope this launch goes well.

                                                                                        EDIT: Launch never happened.

                                                                                        • the_third_wave 3 months ago

                                                                                          The timer is gone from the video, the launch seems to be scrubbed?

                                                                                          • perihelions 3 months ago

                                                                                            Why do they intend to leave the booster attached to the payload, at 19,300 x 2,400 km? Is there a specific reason they choose not to deorbit it?

                                                                                            • dotancohen 3 months ago

                                                                                              I don't know the actual reason on this launch, but leaving stuff up there is not uncommon. On a test launch such as this, they might not want to relight the second stage engine too many times. They also may not have navigation down pat. Better leave one large bird up there where it's easily tracked, than to possibly have it explode leaving lots of smaller debris. Or to try to deorbit it and hit London.

                                                                                              There are tens, if not hundreds, of discarded second stages orbiting Earth right now.

                                                                                            • ekianjo 3 months ago

                                                                                              cancelled today: https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1878715911563313651

                                                                                              > We’re standing down on today’s launch attempt to troubleshoot a vehicle subsystem issue that will take us beyond our launch window. We’re reviewing opportunities for our next launch attempt.

                                                                                              • kxrm 3 months ago

                                                                                                According to AP News the launch was scrubbed.

                                                                                                • bpodgursky 3 months ago

                                                                                                  Annnnd back up to T-38. Can't do it, going to bed. Hope I don't miss any fireworks (or glory).

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                                                                                                        it keeps getting delayed...

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                                                                                                          • Tepix 3 months ago

                                                                                                            Now that it's scrubbed, just how long was their launch window?

                                                                                                            • DiggyJohnson 3 months ago

                                                                                                              Three hours is the publicly specified capability

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                                                                                                                  • closetkantian 3 months ago

                                                                                                                    Billionaires head to space while the world burns. Fun.

                                                                                                                    • mupuff1234 3 months ago

                                                                                                                      Hoping they succeed and bring Musk down back to earth.

                                                                                                                      • rvz 3 months ago

                                                                                                                        Musk doesn't care and unfortunately Blue Origin failed to launch today.

                                                                                                                        It's over.

                                                                                                                        • mupuff1234 3 months ago

                                                                                                                          Don't be silly, of course he cares whether spacex remains uncontested or not, both from a business perspective but also from the political leverage it brings (starlink etc).

                                                                                                                          • robertlagrant 3 months ago

                                                                                                                            Either SpaceX isn't uncontested already (lots of people are developing rockets, so they aren't uncontested), or this wouldn't have changed that (lots of people developing rockets are absolutely nowhere near SpaceX, and they still wouldn't be whether or not this had worked).

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                                                                                                                              • mupuff1234 3 months ago

                                                                                                                                Im not sure I follow - can you show me another rocket currently in development that is as close as SpaceX offerings in terms of payload/price performance as new glenn?

                                                                                                                                If new glenn were to succeed it would have a massive impact on SpaceX (and starlink)

                                                                                                                                • robertlagrant 3 months ago

                                                                                                                                  I don't think that that's true. SpaceX barely use Falcon Heavy (I count under 10 missions in total[0]), and I think it's because there are so many payloads that fit into a regular Falcon 9 that it's not worth trying to queue up enough payloads to fit.

                                                                                                                                  And if there are new, special payloads that only fit in a New Glenn, then it's not obvious they would disrupt the existing SpaceX operations, as opposed to just being additional flights.

                                                                                                                                  [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_9_and_Falcon_He...