Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is.
The big feature 2 years ago was car starting to sprout LIDAR bumps but now that feature has become de rigueur enough that car brands need to figure out something new to stand out, hence the big push to advertise their active suspension.
Nio's new ET9 is showing off their car doing tricks like bouncing a soccer ball (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Ezjmz63U8), driving with a stack of glasses on it's hood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEr_sNp7XLM) and syncing the suspension to a movie (https://www.tiktok.com/@autogefuehl/video/745225999151335350...). Yangwang is showing it leap the car in the air. At the end of the day though, the more Hertz and more acceleration your active suspension system has, the smoother it can dampen movement inside the cabin and Chinese consumers are already getting very picky about how well specced the active suspension systems are.
In another 2 years time, Nio/Yuanyang style active suspension will have trickled out into enough midrange cars that it's no longer an exciting feature and Chinese car brands will figure out the latest new thing to compete. Meanwhile, American car brands will be barely half way through their model cycle refresh and just starting to think about incrementally adding a single feature or two and maybe adding a new curve to the body somewhere.
> Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is.
There's a 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Of course we have no idea.
>Americans have no idea how far advanced the Chinese car market is.
Americans have no reason to care about that. Their legacy car industry is now only a vestigial part of their economy. It's an acceptable casualty when the brunt of their economy is finance, tech and services, plus owning the printer to the world reserve currency and the largest military in the world by a long margin along with large fossil fuel reserves, giving them leverage over China and the Chinese economy in other more important areas while their car industry can coast into irrelevance letting their allies Japan, Korea, Germany race to the bottom in selling American consumer cheap cars in exchange for those sweet USD. They'll be fine.
On the other hand, countries like Germany where the legacy ICE auto sector is a large slice of the economy and don't have energy independence, don't issue the world reserve currency, don't have a strong military, don't have a leading finance and tech sector, but have a ballooning welfare deficit and unions fighting against the inevitable change to EV, will be less fine and more at the mercy of bullying from world powers along with a reduction in standard of living of their workers/citizens.
There's considerable risk in that strategy if taken to the extreme. Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything, including critical dependencies, and then just be left with a sort of pure military-financial hegemony, but that can be a rather unstable equilibrium.
Not saying there's no tasteful way to stably approximate that state though (and even not requiring stepping on other's toes, which may actually help in combination with the right narrative).
>Because you could eventually outsource virtually everything
That's reductionist. I never said anything about outsourcing everything. Ford and GM aren't going anywhere but it's clear their importance is dwindling and will just be allowed to be on life support in the future rather than a core part of the US economy.
what are you basing this statement on? data to support this claim?
Market trends, knowledge of history, and logic.
No idea where you get your news on Germany, but the only valid thing was the part about the auto industry being legacy. As someone working in the energy sector, I can gladly tell you we got rid off most dependencies, we’re 95% independent regarding electricity. Oil and coal are still a problem, but we’re getting there. That ballooning welfare deficit you talk about must be a joke, what are you even saying? Germany has a zero deficit policy in it’s constitution (which what’s actually causing trouble right now, especially regarding Ukraine help funding). Please also point me to information on unions fighting EV because I haven’t heard anything about this (being active in the largest German union).
> Please also point me to information on unions fighting EV because I haven’t heard anything about this (being active in the largest German union).
To expand into EV means you need to let go from the declining ICE sector and unions are fighting against such job cuts meaning there's less money left to go to EV expansion. Is putting 2 and 2 together really that difficult?
No reason to be snarky. You did not provide any information on the matter beyond 'because I say so'.
As everyone that watched Knight Rider knows, a jumping car solves ALL your problems. Even a heavily armed gang of thugs can easily be defeated by a jumping car without a single drop of blood being shed.
Haven't lowriders worked on this for years now? I think they are further concerning angle of attack and elevation but behind the whole "while driving" thing. It's not really my field of expertise.
Bose sold the tech to ClearMotion, which now partners with NIO https://blog.clearmotion.com/clearmotion-partners-with-nio-t...
So the actual headline should be "Chinese car company overtakes American headphone maker from 8 years ago":))
Active suspension apparently quietly was in luxury cars for a while...
This came to my mind when I first saw it, but I see it as a good iteration/improvement on what we have done before (we as in humans).
I see this as hyped research, that's all, and it's good for everyone.
I cannot wait to jump over speed bump is school areas ! Definitely useful tech for people in a hurry like me
What are you? An influencer?
Comment history suggests LLM
Just in case you're out of the loop: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1gpgzno/mkbhd_goes...
I'd be impressed if it managed to jump the speed bumps in school areas. Those are like what, 7 cm to 10 cm in elevation over a long distance?
In France, « dos d'ânes » (“donkey's backs”) are supposed to be 10cm high, with other measurements we'll defined, but about 80% are way more “violent” as a defensive tool used by municipalities.
But that's nothing compared with mexican topes.
My favorite thing used to be counting the trails of oil from the topes wherever someone had knocked off their oil pan!
The secret about speed bumps is that with most vehicles you can drive over them at speed without slowing down.
I was thinking more the getaway car of pros
I think it just demonstrates some new 4WD/suspension technology, that allows it to jump, and to quickly shift the weight from one wheel to another.
I guess they can't get away with just claiming to add rocket thrusters to their cars to hype their brand. I don't even know who the CEO is. Still a silly idea, unless your customer is batman.
I barely know any CEOs and I am happy when I can buy a product without knowing all political affiliations and personal opinions of the CEO that may or may not have an effect on their business decisions or on the business output.
Wow, I cannot believe how awkward to see such negative review just because it's a Chinese brand...
This is insanely cool.
Not mentioning the implied tech.
Of course you know it's a Chinese brand. The internal mindset shifting happen so naturally...
I think the OP was making a sarcastic dig at Musk’s history of promises and cult of personality, by comparing to a company that is comparatively just quietly executing.
Can the "insanely cool" thing jump over climate change induced megafires?
Forgive my cynicism, but I dislike products like that because it represents the polar opposite of what the world needs right now.
Your assessment of anti-sinoistic sentiment is on point tho.
"what (I think) the world needs right now" is people who make uncomfortable sacrifices to live up to the ideas they defend, before calling for massive collective change and policing other people's personal choices and interests
Yeah, naturally we're only allowed to combat human extinction if we jump across imaginary moral bars some people set up. /s
Bars that always turn out as a hypocrytical pretext to end the discussion prematurely. I say hypocritical because once there eventually is someone who dares to jump it and offer the same criticism the bar gets moved.
No, I don't need to be a saint, a monk and carbon negative to say that in a world moving towards human extinction a jumping supercar should not exist.
> if we jump across imaginary moral bars some people set up
Aren't you you the one setting up imaginary moral bars for what kinds of features a car should or should not have? And for what people should or shouldn't want in a car?
Aren't you the one believing "we're only allowed to combat human extinction" if we jump across your imaginary moral bars?
No, I am not setting imaginary bars.
I say that I personally think that people developing/selling/buying such a product are immoral (to me) and doing a disservice to humanity (in my eyes). Do with that what you will.
Now I am not a fan of banning things, but if you are at a mountain hut with a weak solar battery and one guy keeps plugging in a toaster because he doesn't want to chop wood, I am all for banning the toaster.
The world is not a place of unlimited resources and those who pretend it is while they make others pay the price are (to me) the lowest form of life and undeserving of any form of respect.
I guess getting this car registered with this feature built in will be difficult in most countries too.
Why? I don't think the car inspection office will check if the car jumps. Mostly that the suspension doesn't have play in it.
> I don't even know who the CEO is.
In 2025, this has to be a praise.
> I don't even know who the CEO is
Ah, the benefit of having a Chinese CEO, they tend to want less public attention to themselves. "Man don't want to be famous, like pig don't want to grow big" as people say.
That, plus the fact BYD's founder/CEO (same guy) was not as flashy (reads "Unhinged") as Elon Musk.
When I hear Chinese CEO, I think they may be easily replaced and in the end the real CEO is Xi Jinping. I am sure it is a bit more complicated and I may have some prejudice, but how far am I? I would expect for a Chinese CEO that would behave like Elon Musk to disappear quite quickly. Am I wrong in this assessment as well?
> Chinese CEO that would behave like Elon Musk to disappear quite quickly
Why would you assume Elon Musk himself would immune from such "disappearing" if they pissed off someone powerful (like Xi Jinping or someone from other nations)? Have you see the man desecrate Xi Jinping or Vladimir Putin? If he likes to critic politician, why the redline?
Thinking of Jack Ma. You don't want to get too prominent in China, billionaires there aren't above the police.
Well to be fair, he got prominent and created an illegal peer-to-peer lending business to enrich himself on the despair of lower-income people - in a country that has heavy financial regulation in place to prevent exactly these kinds of developments (same as MLM schemes etc.).
Ah... Jack Ma, My favorite example on why nobody should try to be a communist propagandist.
The man traveled to the US back in 2017 and publicly criticized how US utilized their tax incomes etc see [Link 1], then just few years later he lost half of his wealth for criticizing Xi Jinpin [Link 2].
So, apparently be a communist lapdog did very little in helping him gain political shield.
[Link 1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/chinese-billionaire-jack-ma-...
[Link 2]: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/12/business/china-jack-ma-we...
Is it smart enough to avoid jumping when going round a bend?
A car can't be steered when it is airborne.
It's a concept for R&D to try stuff out and for Marketing to get people to talk about the brand. I would be surprised an active system like this would survive the lifetime of a car without an unpalatable amount of maintenance and parts replacement.
Software adaptable suspension is nothing new. All this does is add some camera feedback and software smartness to the mix so it can anticipate obstacles and make real time adjustments to minimize their impact. That software will run fine for as long as the chips last. And technically the whole point here is to reduce shock impact which probably helps reducing the amount of wear and tear on the parts.
It does look cool though and probably having a lot of cars jumping over things on the highway would not end well. But it is neat technology.
This technology may trickle down to regular cars. If a car was smart enough to lift, or just prevent dropping, each tire as it drove over a pothole, it might prevent a blowout and accident on the highway. Pretty neat, if you ask me.
It will be so cool to turn your wheels while airborne! Landing will be hilarious. Seriously, I don’t think jumping car is a good idea.
While these are probably way too heavy, can't wait for someone Mark Webber themselves doing this over a crest.
The Canberra milk kid?
Can't stand that video mastering, looks like AI fake.
Insanely cool. But I worry about the physics of this. The moment you jump, you have zero traction. And this only works if you have considerable speed. If the driver/car is unable to fully understand the environment that comes after, like a pedestrian crossing shortly after the obstacle, but far enough away that the car does not detect this before the jump decision, there may be no way to break in time.
It's a gimmick for marketing. No indication it will be a feature on retail vehicles.
Probably got the "inspiration" from some European companies.
Mercedes GLE 450 4Matic bouncing itself out of sand
They could fix potholes, but instead decided to make their cars jump? Very creative. :)
We could have better public transport and walkable cities, but instead we're inventing self-driving cars.
Self-driving cars are public transportation and make cities more walkable.
Is this a joke? How does having more cars on the road, with the same capacity as other cars, and which rely on, adapt to and perpetuate the status quo of car-dependent infrastructure correlate with either of these things?
No. The goal of transport should not be to use a specific technology (trains, busses, cars, etc.). The goal of transport should be to move people and goods safely, efficiently, and quickly. When evaluated on those terms, legacy public transportation doesn't fare very well when compared to self-driving vehicles.
This is disingenuous. You yourself were discussing a specific technology as was the person you're replying to, and really, the specific technology is going to guide the conversation of what gets built. An autonomous car isn't the same as an autonomous train or a bus, and having a bunch of them on the roads does not create demand for other forms of transport or infrastructure that supports it.
BYD isn't in charge of road infrastructure to be able to fix it. That's the government's job.
What's the connection to Xiaomi here? (honest question)
Sorry my bad, I meant BYD, I was thinking of the other Xiaomi supercar.
"they", as if we didn't have potholes in the us/eu.
The UK certainly has its share ("councils expected to fix 2M potholes in FY24"[0] - London, alas, is not getting them fixed all that quickly given how many I've seen in the last 6 months. Greenwich roads, for example, are a disgrace in parts.)
I've never seen as many potholes as when I visited Canada FWIW. I'm a Kiwi and I've driven all over AU/EU/UK (Little bit of US, but only really CA and Maine).
I didn't drive in China, but I've been driven multiple times and the highways and main roads seemed solid.
TBH with 700k+ employees, the marketting gimmicks to engineer ratio from BYD is lacking.
Pre-orders immediately exhausted by criminals.
(Awesome tech! Or at least CGI ...)
"Yangwang – BYD’s luxury division"
Luxurious.
...and speedbumps!
Need for Speed absolutely sleeping on this /s