• marssaxman 8 hours ago

    I had been familiar with the title phrase for many years, particularly through its association with industrial music, but did not know there was a whole poem attached to it until I saw it printed up in a little display on the counter of a pop-up cyberpunk ramen bar at a local Burning Man-affiliated festival.

    • jhallenworld 7 hours ago

      Same, now I'm listening to "Machines of Loving Grace: Butterfly Wings" which I've not heard in a very long time..

    • bee_rider 8 hours ago

      His poems portray him as a sort of selfish but also very self-aware and basically well intentioned character. The change in tone from poem to poem, and that general vibe makes for an interesting read. They seem very honest.

      It is interesting that Wikipedia describes him as a Hippy. I somehow got it into my head that he was the last beatnik. But, I can’t find any support for this theory in a quick googling, and I’m pretty bad at literature. So, I wonder where I stumbled across that idea.

      • UniverseHacker 3 hours ago

        As an update to my previous comment here is a detailed article I found on Brautigan's complex relationship with the more famous beat poets: https://www.beatdom.com/ginsberg-brautigan/

        In short, he was there in SF doing poetry readings at the same place and time as Ginsberg, Snyder, etc. -and they were regulars at parties he hosted, but it sounds like he felt socially rejected, bullied, and looked down upon by most of the beat social group, and actively refused both the labels beat and hippie. Still, I agree the label fits both in the ideas in his work, and the time and place in which he wrote them.

        • UniverseHacker 7 hours ago

          > I somehow got it into my head that he was the last beatnik

          One thousand percent, his general attitude reminds me of Gary Snyder aka Japhy Ryder- of course also a famous beat poet. I think nowadays people don't even know what beatnik means.

          Although I wouldn't call him the "last beatnik" - he died 40 years ago and a few of the other original beatniks are still around, and even still writing. I'm good friends with a lesser known original beat poet, a very old guy but fun to talk to.

          • seanicus 5 hours ago

            If he was publishing as far back as the 50's I'm sure he was familiar with the beat writers and probably interacted with them, not to mention his style feels closer to a bridge between the beats and the hippies. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is a great document of the transitory era between the two.

          • csours 8 hours ago

            Reminds me of Nothing But Flowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iiGqBfyLaw

            Feels like a depth optical illusion - the meaning can change based on perspective

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_illusion

            Also reminds me of Becky Chambers' Monk and Robot

            • mkaic 8 hours ago

              Monk and Robot is such a wonderful series. I have often wondered about the "now what" part of living in a hypothetical utopia, and Chambers explores that existential question really thoughtfully.

            • mmastrac 9 hours ago

              I assume this is because of the recent talk "Self Moderls of Loving Grace", which is a fun mashup of cutting edge AI models and philosophy:

              https://events.ccc.de/congress/2024/hub/en/event/self-models...

              • jgrahamc 9 hours ago

                No, it's because I love poems. I didn't know about that talk.

                • dannyobrien 9 hours ago

                  It's such a beautiful poem, and it's now making me realise how much of a background influence reading Brautigan's <i>Trout Fishing in America</i> as a kid had on me.

                  Some other short poems from Brautigan here (not really that representative, but fun): https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/richard-brautigan

                  • Thoreandan 8 hours ago

                    Thanks for the post!

                    Is your blog intentionally blocked from Internet Archive's Wayback Machine?

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                  • 4ndrewl 9 hours ago

                    It also features in the Tate Modern's current exhibition "Electric Dreams - Art and Technology Before the Internet"

                    https://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/electric-dreams

                    • jgrahamc 9 hours ago

                      Oh, thanks for that. I should pop into that the next time I'm in London.

                    • mibes 9 hours ago

                      Thought for a moment this would be a transcript of the captivating Adam Curtis documentary by the same name.

                      • JohnCClarke 8 hours ago

                        Me too!

                        How fascinating to know the title came from a poem.

                        • pizza 8 hours ago

                          Same here lol

                        • irq-1 6 hours ago

                          At the California Institute of Technology

                              I don't care how God-damn smart
                              these guys are: I'm bored.
                              
                              It's been raining like hell all day long
                              and there's nothing to do.
                              
                                  Written January 24, 1967
                                  while poet-in-residence
                                  at the California Institute
                                  of Technology.
                          • geuis 8 hours ago

                            I've read the titled poem before but never knew there were others in the collection. They're all really enjoyable.

                            I'm not someone that has ever really appreciated or liked poetry too much in general. It's always been presented to me as esoteric word smithing by people trying to be intellectual for the sake of sounding smart.

                            But I really enjoy the simple and straight language in these and that they're startling funny.

                            • lantry 6 hours ago

                              Yes! I was just looking for this a few months ago.

                              I know the poem is typically interpreted as ironic, but I like to read it as exceedingly idealistic. The idea that Man, Nature, and Technology can all coexist in harmony is very tantalizing!

                              • chaps 9 hours ago

                                This poem feels completely different now than in the 60s, I'm sure. Like it's advocating for a techno optimistic dystopia where nobody, not even animals, can be left alone by the countlessly pervasive benevolent machines of faceless masters.

                                • xsmasher 7 hours ago

                                  In isolation it seems pretty utopian and optimistic, but reading a few more of the poems makes me doubt he was really that starry-eyed about the future. The line about rejoining our animal brothers has a faint smell of "the matrix."

                                  It always reminds me of Donald's Fagan's I.G.Y. - the lyrics are 99% utopian

                                     Here at home we'll play in the city   
                                     Powered by the sun   
                                     Perfect weather for a streamlined world    
                                     There'll be spandex jackets, one for everyone
                                  
                                  With just one hint of trouble brewing

                                    A just machine to make big decisions      
                                    Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision      
                                    We'll be clean when their work is done      
                                    We'll be eternally free, yes, and eternally young
                                  
                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOQUzrhTBgw
                                  • varelse 6 hours ago

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                                  • UniverseHacker 8 hours ago

                                    This is my personal interpretation- but I think that the modern reading you are implying was very much intended to be the context in which it was written. Brautigan's use of the tone of naive extreme optimism was intended to be ironic and terrifyingly dystopian.

                                    I'll cite the rest of the work in this same book posted here- none of his poems are shallow, naive, or very optimistic - especially with regard to technology and it's effect on the natural environment.

                                    I do think he intended to leave the reader wondering if he was serious or not.

                                  • UniverseHacker 8 hours ago

                                    This poem is one of the few I've ever read that gives me physical chills. I've read it before of course, but not the rest of the work in the PDF- which was also excellent. Thanks for posting.

                                    • OhMeadhbh 6 hours ago

                                      Cool to find out there are poetry fans on HN.

                                      • more_corn 7 hours ago

                                        What a fabulous collection!

                                        • noumenon1111 7 hours ago

                                          Here, I think I fixed it:

                                              I hate to think (take
                                              the bandage off quickly!)
                                              of a cybernetic ghetto
                                              where mammals and computers
                                              strive together in mutually
                                              destructive chaos
                                              like pure water
                                              soaking dead trash.
                                              
                                              I hate to think
                                                  (not now, please!)
                                              of a cybernetic whorehouse;
                                              Amazon, Google, Microsoft
                                              exact tolls peacefully
                                              from computers
                                              though already paid for,
                                              for extra "content".
                                              
                                              I hate to think
                                                  (it cannot be!)
                                              of a cybernetic lobotomy
                                              where we are free of our nature
                                              and farmed for our labors,
                                              subjected through mammal
                                              weakness and instinct,
                                              and all watched over
                                              by machines of loving grace.
                                          • 0_gravitas 6 hours ago

                                            i highly recommend the collection __"Poems"__ by Iain Banks + Ken MacLeod if you've never come across it before, this 'rewriting' has a similar energy as some of Banks' poems and I think you might like them

                                            https://www.amazon.com/Poems-Iain-Banks/dp/1408705877

                                            • nottorp 5 hours ago

                                              And that's why HN is worth reading.

                                              You randomly browse and someone tells you out of the blue that one of your favourite science fiction authors (who's also written some mainstream lit that you know about) also has a book of poetry...

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