• devindotcom 2 days ago

    I've always loved this quote: "What audacious criminal, what mystifier, what maniac collector, what insane lover, has committed this abduction?"

    Though Peruggia claims he did it out of patriotism, I've always nursed the theory that, during its absence, the original was used as reference to create several extremely good fake versions. These could be sold as the original, since everyone knew it had been stolen, and each would think they had the real one. Then the original is returned, and the buyers are without recourse. What are you going to do, tell the police? And of course Peruggia et al would say nothing.

    I suspect this isn't true, but the fun part is that it could be and no one would ever know. So I'm choosing to believe it is so.

    • RandomThoughts3 2 days ago

      Your post reminds me of the very underrated latest film from Orson Well, F for Fake, which is about forgery. It contains an excellent quote from Elmyr de Hory, a notorious art forger, who at some point exclaims: "Guilty? Of what? Making masterpieces?".

      • david927 2 days ago

        The details of the crime seem to point to something like this.

        Remember that Picasso was questioned and probably involved. One theory is that what we think is the original is, in fact, a master-copy by Picasso. The original is held privately in Florence.

        • pgalvin 2 days ago

          Unfortunately (for a fun theory), carbon dating and x-rays of the Mona Lisa have disproved that.

          • Vecr 2 days ago

            He said the thief returned the original. The copies would have (supposedly) sold to people who wouldn't be able to complain without incriminating themselves.

            • pgalvin 8 hours ago

              I was referring to the commenter’s second idea that perhaps the Mona Lisa on display today is a copy. Alas, the truth is less interesting.

            • david927 2 days ago

              There's a reason why you have connoisseurs. You can fool carbon dating by using materials from that time. I'll have to look into the x-rays and what they show, but it can be quite hard to prove art authentic with scientific methods alone.

              • throwup238 2 days ago

                They wouldn’t be able to do much with an oil painting. Any old drying oil from that time period would have long ago polymerized and carbon isotopes in any new oil used to mix the pigments would be a dead giveaway.

                • Retric 2 days ago

                  Carbon dating was developed ~30 years after the panting was recovered.

                  So, the idea someone was going to the effort to use at the time 400 year old material to fool a test nobody knew as even possible, just doesn’t fit.

                  • PittleyDunkin 2 days ago

                    It'd make a lot more sense to fake the black market copies you actually make money off of.

                    • tough 2 days ago

                      Unless you wanna keep the original for yourself too

                      • PittleyDunkin a day ago

                        That doesn't seem very smart.

                        • starlite-5008 a day ago

                          The theft of the painting generated unprecedented publicity.

              • ricksunny 2 days ago

                I like this approach to epistemology :) Imagine how many what-ifs it could turn up if automated & applied across the corpus of knowledge (scientific & otherwise) :) We'd have Pepe Silvio on steroids, and that I'd like to see =)

              • alsetmusic 2 days ago

                > Peruggia, meanwhile, was charged with theft and put on trial in Italy. During his testimony, he claimed that national pride had inspired him to steal the painting, which he believed had been looted from his native Italy during the Napoleonic era. Peruggia was mistaken—Da Vinci had brought the Mona Lisa to France in 1516, and King Francois I had later purchased it legally—but the patriotic defense won him legions of admirers. Even after the prosecution presented evidence that he planned to shop the painting around to art dealers and sell it for profit, many Italians still considered him a national hero.

                Just the sort of nationalism that would lead Europe (and other nations) into the Great War only a few years later. The guy only served seven months. Nationalism begets poor outcomes.

                • LeoPanthera 2 days ago

                  OK, this is a horrific tangent, but if you haven't seen the classic Doctor Who story "City of Death", go check it out.

                  Written by Douglas Adams and filmed on-location in Paris, it involves the Mona Lisa being stolen, and is probably the finest Doctor Who story ever written.

                  In fact it's so good that I'm always a little disappointed by other classic stories in comparison.

                • tomcam 2 days ago

                  I... I don't see what's special about the Mona Lisa.

                  daVinci's drawings, on the other hand, teem with life.

                  • dudisubekti 2 days ago

                    It is way over-rated, but it’s still among Leonardo’s best works IMO

                    Personally I like “Virgin on the Rocks” more

                    • tomcam a day ago

                      Much better. Also Ginevra di Benchi

                      • tomcam a day ago

                        Wow I butchered the spelling but too tired to delete &repost

                    • kombookcha a day ago

                      It's a good painting, but with such an unreasonable amount of hype, the real deal can only disappoint. You can't even really engage with it as a painting, it's become some kind of inescapable weird hyper symbol of Great Art (tm).

                      St John the Baptist gets me far better than Mona Lisa. And as you say, the drawings are kinda where he really shines.

                      I like to think that for a guy with so many different talents and pursuits, doing all these repetitive, careful passes over what was ultimately commission work to pay his bills was less engaging than the rapid, iterative nature of drawing. Technical and precise, yet ferociously vivid.

                      • tomcam 2 hours ago

                        Beautifully put. Of course I have to agree.

                    • cafard 2 days ago

                      Why does this notion persist? Water Pater wrote a famous essay on the painting in 1869. My impression is that it made a pretty big splash in the English-speaking world, at least: much later, W.B. Yeats used a sentence from the essay in his Oxford Book of Modern Verse.

                      • rlue 2 days ago

                        This is the subject of a fun little ditty on Vulfpeck’s upcoming live album:

                        https://youtube.com/watch?v=T7ahw2jhpdE

                        • ramonverse 2 days ago

                          It's funny that most of people think the Mona Lisa is a masterpiece when in truth there is nothing particularly interesting about this painting. Just the heist that made it famous

                          • Avalaxy 2 days ago

                            Really? This is why the Mona Lisa is famous? Not because of any intrinsic properties of the painting itself?

                            • jampa 2 days ago
                              • mkl 2 days ago

                                The original worked fine from NZ, so there must be some tighter criterion.

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