Here's a better and cleaner source of the same news -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/11/dna-study-chri....
the-express.com page has 2 scroll-fulls of 3rd party garbage blocked by uBlock.
Boy howdy, you’re not kidding. Most of the page is huge swathes of white where the Pi-hole said, “nuh, uh”.
I have a comment on the spanish-language version of this article so check my history for the juicy deets, but long story short: I'd bet my shorts that this is nationalist BS based on extremely shaky--not to mention unpublished!--science. See https://elpais.com/ciencia/2024-10-12/el-show-del-adn-de-cri...
Also “confirmed” in original vs “found” in the express link
"Today, traveling to the same Caribbean islands can be tricky, as anyone caught with contraband can face serious repercussions."
That is a very odd take on the Caribbean, and it's the third paragraph in the article. I've seen text spinners, but this feels AI-driven. Surely a human couldn't be this inane.
LLMs have gotten good enough that it’s practically impossible to tell apart the difference in output between a real human mid-wit writer and LLM output, especially if it has gone through some editing.
So it’s probably best to err on the side of caution.
Its a link to other articles on the same site, nothing nefarious
Seems like a nonsensical click-bait title.
They found his remains by confirming that they are indeed buried in the tomb with his name on it?
If you read the Gaurdian article that someone linked the confirmation was needed because his remains were transported under some secrecy multiple times.
Originally he was buried in Hispaniola where today is the city of Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.
Motivated by fear of their destruction, they were moved to Cuba in 1795 under secrecy when France took over the island following several revolts.
When Spain lost the Spanish-American war and ceded Cuba in 1898 they were then transported to Seville.
Various conspiracy theories arose that the remains were never truly moved out of Santo Domingo, fueled by the fact that the remains in Seville were only partial and hand bones were found in a box in Santo Domingo with an inscription claiming they belonged to Columbus.
The researchers note that the hand bones could also be authentic with his remains split between Spain and the Dominican Republic.
Yes, I knew all that. "Found" is still the the wrong word to use.
>The conclusion followed comparisons of DNA samples from the tomb with others taken from one of Columbus’s brothers, Diego, and his son Fernando.
>The knottier question of the explorer’s precise origins will be revealed in Columbus DNA: His True Origin, a special TV programme shown on Saturday 12 October, the date when Spain celebrates its national day and commemorates Columbus’s arrival in the New World.
So if we've had DNA samples of his brother what was stopping us from finding out his "precise origins" earlier?
First news (in Spanish) about the results shown in the special TV programme: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41823437
The article spun off into an op-ed piece discrediting Columbus and his achievements. What a shame.
He achieved the title of murderous inhumane trash. Indeed.
What else exactly did he achieve?
He didn’t get to the western hemisphere first, cuz duh, people already lived there, and if I recall correctly, a couple came before him. Eric the Red, and later his son Lief Erikson. There were the Polynesians which basically populated most of the major islands thousands of years before that. Traded with the natives in present day South America that arrived via the land bridge.
He raped, murdered, subjugated and stole from the natives. There are no achievements to celebrate to people with any humanity in them. Only bigots love him.
It's a shame what he did. Why do you seem to think it's such a shame that somebody wrote about those historical facts? You don't like history? What's a shame is that you want to rewrite it.
Surprising (but heartening) that in all that time the true remains weren't stolen and replaced with someone else's.
they really sat on this until his special US holiday weekend
funny
more than likely for the National Day of Spain which also falls on Oct 12th :)
Wonderful.
How long is the line to take turns pissing on his corpse? You know what, doesn’t matter. I’ll wait for however long it takes for my turn.
Gross. What's wrong with you?
Christopher Columbus was one of the most evil men in human history, and indirectly responsible for the genocide, enslavement and colonization of an entire continent, to say nothing of his direct involvement in slavery and violence in the Caribbean. The latter to such an awful degree the Spanish had him arrested for his cruelty and extremism, which for the Spanish says a lot. And he wasn't even that great at navigation or sailing to boot.
If anyone's corpse deserves a pissing on, it would be his.
> was one of the most evil men
> If anyone's corpse deserves a pissing on, it would be his.
That's a strong statement. I mean he was obviously very cruel and greedy but I don't see how he was particularly exceptional in that way compared to thousands of other historical figures (we can call all of them one of the most evil men in history but that just makes the term meaningless..).
Even in the same ~50 year timeframe his direct "achievements" pale to compared to those of Cortés, Pizzaro.
Judging the peoples of yesterdays by the (deranged?) standards of today is perhaps the most tragic achievement of our generation.
If you think it's "deranged" to condemn someone for enslaving native peoples and treating them brutally (torture, rape, murder), then I'm not sure what hope there is for you.
Even if we were to claim -- incorrectly, as a sibling poster has noted -- that his actions were accepted and normal for his day, we certainly don't have to celebrate him as some sort of hero today.
> deranged?
Can you elaborate what do you mean by that?
I'm judging Columbus by the standards of his own day. Spain ordered Columbus not to take slaves from the Caribbean - they wanted to colonize the land and convert the locals, but Columbus enslaved the population anyway, and shipped them to Spain by the boatload. And his governorship of the place was so brutal and cruel he was arrested and taken away in chains. Contemporary accounts by missionaries judge him the same way.