• jongjong an hour ago

    Looking at the past 10 years of the software industry, I still can't wrap my head around the approach that most large companies have taken to hiring software engineers; treating them as literal cogs in the machine, designing processes which place trust in the hands of middle managers and bureaucrats instead of engineers. There was literally no vetting process for engineers. Now every corner of the internet is full of viruses, spyware and backdoors and of course middle managers had no idea. Nobody is responsible for the software so it belongs to intelligence agencies and hackers.

    The software industry turned out so different from how I thought it would. When I decided to pursue it as a career, I thought that software engineers would be treated and given responsibilities like managers.

    It's crazy when you think about it; managers are responsible for their people, whom they have limited control over... Yet software engineers have zero responsibility for the software they produce, which they have almost full control over.

    • aeternum 14 minutes ago

      In almost every industry this is the case. Perhaps with the exception of some government contractors.

      Even with projects that went to extreme cost to maintain secrecy ultimately failed to do so, IE the Manhattan project.

      Most tech companies (and non-tech companies) take a fairly pragmatic approach. Generally trust your employees but configure systems with an audit trail so you can hold them accountable later for malicious actions. If accidental, there's not much you can do anyway so just buy insurance.

      • dataviz1000 an hour ago

        I was a private yacht chef for 7 years. They would hire anyone off the street to work on a $35,000,000 private yacht without checking references or a background check. I had unprecedented access to CEO's of Fortune 100 companies and phone numbers of a couple billionaires on my phone. I thought about writing a spy novel where a bunch of college students got entry level jobs on a yacht and used the access to plant bugs. The plot is they get caught and have to escape the Caribbean while being chased.

        • gavmor an hour ago

          > Nobody is responsible for the software

          Sounds like the accountability sink[0].

          0. https://www.ft.com/content/2e1042d5-5e89-4fb6-bbee-de605a534...

        • cyberax 2 hours ago

          A couple of years ago, a dipshit moron in the US Army leaked a bunch of top secret documents on Discord, mostly related to the Ukrainian war.

          The thing is, these documents were kinda bad. The information in them was not any better than the work of open source intelligence, and analyses were as good (bad) as that of many armchair analysts.

          So it's no wonder that spy agencies are getting left behind.

          • JumpCrisscross an hour ago

            > information in them was not any better than the work of open source intelligence

            Now look at the dates on those documents.

            Big difference between knowing the Japanese fleet is off Pearl Harbor at 7AM versus 8:01.

            • tolerance an hour ago

              I don't understand why your comment is being retrieved so unpopularily thus far.

              The decline in quality that you're describing not withstanding, I'm not surprised that private intelligence companies are on the rise as opposed to state agencies. I reckon that won't be for long though and that eventually any distinction between the two will be nominal.

              • ImPostingOnHN an hour ago

                > I'm not surprised that private intelligence companies are on the rise as opposed to state agencies

                Me, neither. The private sector almost universally pays more for top talent, so much of the top talent will go there. It's also probably a better culture.

                As more government agencies outsource intelligence (and consequently, decision-making) to the private sector, companies like Palantir and OpenAI will become even more the de-facto government than they already are.

                • tolerance 6 minutes ago

                  > As more government agencies outsource intelligence (and consequently, decision-making) to the private sector, companies like Palantir and OpenAI will become even more the de-facto government than they already are.

                  This is basically what I was alluding to. The stage is set all too well for this not to occur.

                  • sudoshred an hour ago

                    This is a feature of capitalism, nothing to see here.

                • martinky24 2 hours ago

                  Any source for the "not any better than the work of open source intelligence" part?

                  • l33t7332273 42 minutes ago

                    I think it’s GP’s own evaluation

                  • vjulian 2 hours ago

                    I’d prefer a neutral account. In conclusion, is it fair to say that the leak was a breach of US protocol or law and was publicly-available information?

                    • stonethrowaway 2 hours ago

                      Well don’t leave us hanging, what did the documents reveal?

                      • r721 2 hours ago
                        • Modified3019 10 minutes ago

                          Oh, the thugshaker incident. Now I remember.

                        • tourmalinetaco 2 hours ago

                          Their post is somehow even worse quality than the stuff they’re complaining about. To answer your question, a lot of the documents were vehicle/weapon data, thickness of armor plates of tanks and such. Specifically regarding what is best searched as “War Thunder Discord leaks”, as it was, supposedly, a bunch of War Thunder players trying to one-up each other on how knowledgeable they were on military hardware. Some of them (there were a good handful over the years) are detailed here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=polish...

                          • neaden an hour ago

                            War Thunder are to my knowledge the only game studio who have had to publicly tell their fans not to send them classified material in order to advocate for a balance change.

                      • jklinger410 an hour ago

                        Sounding like a broken record here. Your bank and state government will sell your data to these brokers. Just in case any of you think your TOR browser saves you.

                        • JumpCrisscross an hour ago

                          Not what this article is about.

                          • hammock 41 minutes ago

                            Sell and buy