• tgma 19 hours ago

    Imagine the bottom 14000 managers from Amazon on the loose getting jobs elsewhere and spreading the worst parts of its culture around in other companies. Effectively unleashes a biological virus at other FAANGs and smaller companies. Good job Amazon.

    • linotype 18 hours ago

      To the contrary, the ex-Amazon managers I’ve worked with explicitly tell me they avoid implementing ideas from Amazon in terms of management.

      • 39896880 17 hours ago

        Yes. Ex-Amazon here. The part where I horse-trade putting engineers on PIP so I can keep my UAR up -- I don't spread that to other companies because it's toxic as fuck and leads to my friends on H1Bs getting deported.

      • phendrenad2 11 hours ago

        What makes you think they're really the bottom?

        • tgma 6 hours ago

          What makes you think otherwise, statistically?

          • phendrenad2 3 hours ago

            There isn't any reason to believe that companies can or even want to identify the lowest performers, especially when doing mass headcount reduction.

            • tgma 2 hours ago

              There isn't any reason to believe...

              There's no reason to believe the sky is blue.

              ...even want to identify...

              Short of cuts of an entire division, sounds like fairy tales. Now, they might want to claim they have or have not done so; that's a different issue.

      • taway1874 9 hours ago

        Sigh! 105K managers currently and with the 14K cuts it will still be around 91K. As a manager myself, I fully understand and appreciate the value they bring but not matter how large your workforce having 90K+ managers is insanity. Hopefully they are focussing on the middle management and not first-line managers.

        • BugsJustFindMe 17 hours ago

          How any company has 14000 extra managers is just beyond me.

          • tonyedgecombe 16 hours ago

            Amazon has 1.5 million employees, they probably have 100,000 managers.

          • blackeyeblitzar 15 hours ago

            > Jassy also introduced a "bureaucracy tipline" that allows employees to report unnecessary procedures that hinder their work, according to the report.

            Would anyone actually use that? For example if you were complaining about the bureaucracy of dealing with your manager's process, you might face retaliation. Or worse, a lot of the bureaucracy may actually be due to the edicts of higher up executives.

            Or is this just a stunt to virtue signal efficiency?

            • rkwz 15 hours ago

              Is there more info on how this "bureaucracy tipline" works?

              More often in big companies, the processes keeps getting bigger and more convoluted as time passes by.

              Usually the change in process is approved by higher ups, but they might not have full visibility of the process as they're not the ones who are going through these processes (people below them are).