• randogp 9 months ago

    The EU publishes monthly bulletins around DNA surveillance programs. "The bulletin summarise the reported results and findings from European national wastewater surveillance programmes. It also informs about the local surveillance projects and non-EU countries participating as observers" https://wastewater-observatory.jrc.ec.europa.eu/#/bulletin

    • eskathos 9 months ago

      The danish government has been doing that for a while, with open data available per region: https://en.ssi.dk/surveillance-and-preparedness/surveillance...

      They also lead the EU wide project to track infections across the largest cities across europe: https://en.ssi.dk/surveillance-and-preparedness/internationa...

    • rsktaker 9 months ago

      My university recently discovered a covid outbreak at my freshman dorm by testing the wastewater; that was the first I heard about the technique. It's especially effective for this use case: "Traces of SARS-CoV-2 can show up in an infected person’s feces days before any symptoms are detected, and even when a person ultimately shows no symptoms at all." [1]

      [1] https://adminvc.ucla.edu/expanded-wastewater-testing-program....

      • rogerrogerr 9 months ago

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      • worstspotgain 9 months ago

        Wastewater hits in SF reported back in June:

        SF Chronicle: https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/h5n1-avian-flu-sa...

        LA Times: https://archive.is/VSjBB

        • ethbr1 9 months ago

          Part of the article's suggestion is to better differentiate monitoring points, so as to divide farm-related hits from urban hits.

          That said, in cities that have combined storm and sewer system, the latter is a lot more difficult.

          But in general, it is a uniquely politically-palatable continuous monitoring solution.

          The public doesn't want to think about what happens underneath a toilet or drain, so no one cares if someone is sampling and testing it.

          • worstspotgain 9 months ago

            SF has a combined sewer system, but it has zero farms. One question is whether it was more likely to be a signal from wild birds (into the runoff system) than humans (into the sewer.)

            There's very little rain in the summer months, the average for July rounds off to 0.0in. I don't remember if there was any significant rain in May or June, but I'd be surprised if it was more than 1-5% of the total. I guess there's lawn irrigation, though.

            • dredmorbius 9 months ago

              SF has pretty limited lawn irrigation as well. Depending on how the sewerage system is divided, some parts of the city have effectively none.

              • worstspotgain 9 months ago

                There are three sewersheds [1] but we don't know which one the signal was detected in (or do we?) If it was the Northpoint one (~ NE quadrant) there aren't as many lawns there. There are a few small parks, street cleaning and whatnot.

                [1] https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Cal...

            • Terr_ 9 months ago

              Also, it's not so finely-grained that it seems like a privacy problem.

          • tonetegeatinst 9 months ago

            Pretty sure I heard wastewater can be used to detect sudden spikes of drug usage or sudden outbreaks. Not surprising.

            • pfdietz 9 months ago

              Also, drugs can be used to track wastewater. For example, the quantity of wastewater flowing into a river can be estimated by measuring caffeine in the river's water.

              • doubled112 9 months ago

                I might be an overachiever here. Finally I’m a 10xer!

              • misja111 9 months ago

                Yes, check e.g. the map in this page https://www.euda.europa.eu/publications/html/pods/waste-wate..., it's pretty cool

                • te_chris 9 months ago

                  London's flows with coke

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                      • osigurdson 9 months ago

                        Aren't most jurisdictions doing this now?

                        • richbell 9 months ago
                          • osigurdson 9 months ago

                            >> which has cost $10- to $15-million a year since it was launched in 2020

                            Great link. Perhaps their decision makes sense given the cost. I had no idea that people were running around with fishing rods and tampons to do this. That is hilarious!

                            • richbell 9 months ago

                              > Perhaps their decision makes sense given the cost.

                              What point are you trying to make? 10-15 million is nothing considering how valuable that data is for public health.

                              Public services cost money; nobody argues that we shouldn't have roads because they cost money to maintain.

                          • SoftTalker 9 months ago

                            Some are, not sure about most. There is a cost, as with anything, so smaller utilities might not be.

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                              • waveBidder 9 months ago

                                https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/index.html has most of the public ones

                              • wigster 9 months ago

                                why not just put the word "genetic/genome" at the front of that headline?

                                *kers.

                                • rnweiher 9 months ago

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