• cmsefton 6 hours ago

    > Studies have also shown the pine martens are effective predators of grey squirrels, giving hope that they may provide a natural control for the introduced squirrel, which damages trees in commercial plantations and has virtually wiped out the red squirrel in England.

    If, like me, you were wondering whether they also predate red squirrels, apparently pine martens hunt and eat grey squirrels far more, as they're able to easily raid grey squirrel nests. Red squirrels have evolved alongside pine martens and have better awareness to the threat they pose. This article was informative:

    https://www.discoverwildlife.com/news/pine-martens-predate-o...

    • sva_ an hour ago

      Seems like there are some squirrel wars going on in the UK

      https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/red-squirrels-b...

      • zeristor 6 hours ago

        I believe red squirrels are lighter than pine martens, and so can go out further on branches, whereas grey squirrels can’t.

        I’m guessing they’ll be able to reintroduce red squirrels in these areas in due course.

        • adrian_b 4 hours ago

          Sometimes they might go further on suitable thin branches, but I doubt that this matters much. I have never heard of a case when a marten could not advance towards a squirrel due to fear of breaking the branch.

          What red squirrels can do and martens cannot do, is to jump down from the tree from a relatively great height without injury, due to their low weight and fluffy hair and then climb into another tree, far from the marten.

          It is likely that this behavior of some squirrels is what has lead to the evolution of the flying squirrels.

          • Tade0 6 hours ago

            I guess the key indicator for the martens is that grey squirrels are simply a larger meal.

        • SonOfLilit 2 hours ago

          Apart from being cute, beautiful woodland creatures, pine martens are famously the most sympathetic tech interviewers:

          https://aphyr.com/posts/341-hexing-the-technical-interview

          • mrec 34 minutes ago

            "snicker-slithing susurrential warrens" is just insanely beautiful.

            • ndsipa_pomu an hour ago

              That's such a good tangent that I had to upvote. I've read it before, but it's well worth re-reading.

            • riedel 21 minutes ago

              Just quickly skimmed the article but does the article answer why they seem to be everywhere in Europe except for England ? [0]

              [0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/European...

              • cmsefton 19 minutes ago

                > Pine martens were driven to extinction in England at the turn of the 20th century by the loss of forests and persecution, with gamekeepers in particular targeting the animals for preying upon pheasants and poultry.

              • pfdietz 4 hours ago

                I was a bit confused because there's a related species in North America, Martes americana, that is also sometimes called the pine marten (more properly, the American marten or American pine marten). The European species is Martes martes.

                The American species clearly doesn't extirpate gray squirrels, but in North America red and gray squirrels do coexist. However, these red squirrels are also a different species, Tamiasciurus hudsonicus, not the European species, Sciurus vulgaris. The American pine marten is a predator of the American red squirrel.

                Squirrel taxonomy seems to be in a state of flux at present due to DNA information becoming available.

                • card_zero 3 hours ago

                  > However, these red squirrels are also a different species

                  Less tufty ears, more violent.

                  • pfdietz 3 hours ago

                    No Beatrix Potter character for these psychos.