• wrp 7 minutes ago

    Completely serious, I think Calvin & Hobbes had the best concise explanation.

    (https://mymorningmeditations.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/...)

    • Hoasi 2 minutes ago

      Great explanation, indeed, and a gem of a comic.

    • itronitron 14 minutes ago

      I like the theory that jokes are funny to the extent they enable a discovery of 'shared knowledge' between the teller and audience.

      I'll provide a light bulb joke as an example...

      Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb? A: That's not funny.

      • ixxie 2 hours ago

        Almost reinvented the Benign Violation Theory: https://humorresearchlab.com/benign-violation-theory/

        • everdrive an hour ago

          I've yet to see a theory of comedy which actually addresses that there are multiple kinds of comedy:

          - Bullying, where the joke is not particularly funny, but instead relies on attacking someone's status in front of a crowd. The crowd laughs in recognition of the successful attack, not because the joke is clever.

          - Epiphany humor -- the joke relies on some new thought, connection, or idea, and the "joke" is the leap your mind needs to make in order to comprehend the novel idea. eg. "Otis Elevators: They'll never let you down!" In this case, you must take the familiar phrase "let you down [emotionally]" and realize the second meaning "elevators move up and down [physically]."

          - Story-based humor, which probably needs a better name, but is mostly what stand-up comedy is. Other kinds of humor can be mixed in here, but often the "joke" relies on something of a straw man -- setting up a character in the story where the audience can readily recognize that at least one character being related is a fool, and worthy to be laughed at. Often this is perspective-based, and is based around relating to the characters in the stand-up comedian's story. For instance, take Bill Burr's joke about women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s1GY-yr-BM -- the "joke" here is mostly whether or not you agree with Bill's characterization of the situation. The joke is not universally funny, but relies on the audience's perspective. If you've never seen the world from the same perspective as Bill, the joke may not hit the mark, or might even seem rude.

          - Tone-of-voice humor. This is a joke where there's no real joke, but the tone of voice is really doing 90% of the work. It's just retelling a relatively benign event, except the tone of voice exaggerates the emotions attached to the words. I don't have an example ready for this one because I really dislike this "style" of humor, but imagine some of the less creative or talented stand-up artists.

          - SNL humor. "What if an unusual or annoying thing happened?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfE93xON8jk

          - Social awkwardness humor / Dramatic irony. See all / most of Arrested Development.

          • sweezyjeezy an hour ago

            I think "incongruity theory", that the article is alluding to, does actually apply to most of these. You're focusing on the context rather than the actual underlying mechanism driving the joke. e.g. the first one "bullying, where the joke is not particularly funny..." Consider that the incongruity of a comedian laying into someone verbally, compared to the way we're primed for them to talk in polite-society interactions, may be part of the reason why this works. Similarly example two - "Otis Elevators: They'll never let you down!" - there is an incongruity in the usual usage of the expression 'they'll never let you down' to here, that could be what makes this work as a joke.

            I agree there are examples that incongruity doesn't cover, e.g. slapstick I personally believe is something a bit different, but generally I do think it's a pretty compelling explanation for a lot of modern comedy.

            • cheschire an hour ago

              The most comprehensive theory I have seen is that laughter, and therefore humor, is primarily a fear response.

              It starts as an infant when you laugh by having your surface nerves rapidly engaged through tickling. Even peakaboo is a fear game due to the child’s lack of object permanence.

              When you examine all funny things through the lens of fear, it becomes an interesting logic exercise to draw a connection between the humor you see and how it may or may not be connected to fear.

              Consider all of your examples through that lens.

              • emnudge 38 minutes ago

                This is a very interesting way of putting it.

                The way I’ve explained it is “unserious surprise” which also fits with this.

                https://emnudge.dev/blog/a-grand-theory-of-humor/

                • nfin 36 minutes ago

                  I’ve had some thoughts in that direction.

                  Super interesting!

                  I thought about it for jokes, as the reaction is quick (just system 1 and very maybe for more complex jokes it’s system 2 understanding the joke and then system 1 laughing… but then it might not spontenous enough to lough out loud), didn’t though about that for “all funny things”.

                  Do you have some sources detailng this more?

                  • cheschire 24 minutes ago

                    Oh I couldn’t tell you the original source, it was well over a decade ago that I first heard it. Briefly searching though gave some interesting results.

                    Here’s a study that identified an unintended consequence of an antismoking fear campaign:

                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5844502/

                    Here’s a study that looks at this relationship from a therapeutic perspective:

                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38840335/

                    And of course dozens of blog posts exist trying to explain it in a more accessible way.

                • gosub100 an hour ago

                  -puns and word-play. Or does that fall under epiphany humor?

                • seanhunter 17 minutes ago

                  The theory presented in this article was articulated in Arthur Koestler's "The Act of Creation", where he goes on to speculate that all creativity works in this way. It's well worth a read.

                  • iimaginary an hour ago

                    A man swears he discovered the secret formula to satire. Turns out, it’s just one cup of irony and a lack of self-awareness, baked at 350 for 20 minutes.

                    • harryf 4 days ago

                      Ran into this today. From doing comedy for about 7 years now, this basically correct. Although most comedians approach joke writing organically rather than with this approach

                      • bazoom42 an hour ago

                        Now explain why some jokes following this formula are hilarious but most are painfully unfunny. This would seem to be the hard part.

                        > I’m awful at jogging. I run slower than Windows 95.

                        Yeah you have definitely cracked the secret to comedy.

                        • forgotacc240419 35 minutes ago

                          Windows 95's start menu was drastically faster than Windows 10's with its default settings. Things like that mean the joke just results in thoughts like "By what metric?" and "Was Windows 95 ever considered famously slow?"

                          Or is the point that the reference doesn't need to be accurate but just has to catch a general vibe of "old = slow"

                        • klar120 an hour ago

                          This is exclusively the most primitive joke category base on double meanings. The jokes listed are boring and maybe suited for fillers in a standup routine.

                          Due to the title I presume that this is another pro-"AI" article that devalues human ingenuity. Well, enjoy the non-funny jokes. I'll stick to pre-2022 material.

                          • seanhunter 11 minutes ago

                            The jokes in the article are just there to demonstrate the pattern. There are lots of more sophisticated jokes which clearly follow the same pattern. For example Milton Jones' classic (which won "best joke" at the edinburgh comedy festival I believe)

                               I come from a long line of police marksmen. Apart from my grandfather, who was a bank robber.  But he died recently..... surrounded by his family.
                            
                            More Milton Jones "grandfather" jokes which all clearly demonstrate this pattern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUfbSrpsHk
                          • fire_lake 2 hours ago

                            Writing jokes was once considered an “AGI level” task - but after reading this I’m not so sure!

                            • lupusreal an hour ago

                              Is there a theory of humor which explains why theories of humor are invariably hilariously inadaquate?

                              • 082349872349872 27 minutes ago

                                Some activities are highly theoretical: you learn the principles of operation, and maybe how they break down into elements, practice briefly, and then execute at a high level.

                                Other activities are highly practical: you can learn the theory via a brief rundown, but executing at a high level takes years to decades of practice.

                                My theory of theory of humour is that humour is in the latter category.