• xyzzy123 4 hours ago

    I feel like the framing in the article is wrong. Tech startups are desperately searching for solutions that will generate value.

    When a "new hammer" is developed or discovered (lets say, radiation) there's a natural inflection point. People will try marketing radioactive medicines, radioactive soft drinks, radioactive toys, radioactive jewelry.... etc etc. Everything will be thrown at the wall to see what sticks. There's no broader intellectual movement in play.

    This process is more like "product darwinism" than technological determinism.

  • crvdgc 2 hours ago

    Perhaps the title should be "why do tech leaders believe all problems have technical fixes?" To that question, isn't the author analyzing too much into a salesman's pitch? They profit from selling technical solutions, so of course they'll say everyone can use one.

    • croes 33 minutes ago

      You can deal with those scammers, because in the end they know it's not true.

      The real problem are the true believers

    • jillesvangurp 3 hours ago

      A lot of problems do. But sometimes the problem is people related. You can work around those problems with technology but you can't fix them.

      In terms of real world problems: climate change, food scarcity, poverty, water quality and access, health care, etc. a lot of the solutions are technical. And a lot of those solutions are directly or indirectly about making energy cheaper and cleaner. With cheap clean energy, you can address climate change. You can desalinate water (at scale). If you have clean water, you can address food scarcity (e.g. irrigate desserts). You can also address sanitation. Cheap energy also enables transport, having light in people's home (education). so that addresses poverty. And so on. All that comes from just a handful of technical solutions that make energy cheap and clean. Anyone working on those things is accomplishing more than decades worth of well intentioned but not very effective activism, charity, diplomacy, etc. I'm sure AI has a role to play here as well.

      The point is moot anyway. We're not going to turn into Luddites and competition continuously drives us to do better. Which means people keep on figuring out technical solutions to challenges around them. Technology isn't inherently good or evil. But it can be very effective sometimes. And of course there is a lot of not so effective or misguided stuff as well. Part of the journey.

      • troaway56362 an hour ago

        Food scarcity, poverty, clean water, basic health care. These are IMO excellent examples of people problems, not tech problems.

        If it were tech problems we wouldn’t be drinking clean water, driving Teslas and eating fancy food now would we? These are more or less solved issues. Now what we have not solved is how to share our toys.

        Of course, tech could help to lower barrier(s), making access so cheap even “they” can have it, but the fundamental problem here is: why do “we” have “it” and “they” do not?

        These are deeply political problems with exceedingly thin ties to technology. I feel focusing on tech distracts from the true issues which are again political and cultural, related to, say, the economy and its underlying philosophy itself, education, geography, history, etc. I don’t know where exactly tech ends up on this list of major factors, but it’s not on the first few pages.

        Interestingly I think it is the diplomacy and activism that enabled the resources to open up and drives activity in tech that then eventually winds up where it needs to.

        • kindkang2024 2 hours ago

          I agree with you.

          Before we are so eager to solve the problems, we better pinpoint how the problems were introduced and exacerbated. In the US, there are conflicts between illegal immigration and local communities, or conflicts between BLM and ALM. Especially the latter one, which I as an ordinary non-American cannot understand why ALM was abandoned like SHIT in the end. I do not know that initially aimed to advocate for peace. Quite funny we have to choose sides: IsraeliLivesMatter vs PalestinianLivesMatter or RussianLivesMatter vs UkrainianLivesMatter. In the end, I decided to forget about the controversy. And decide to fight back against those who argue against "all lives matter" just because of a few bad apples. And maybe this is also the reason AllLivesMatterWorld was abandoned like SHIT: just because of a few bad apples, we are abandoning all apples.

          I do not want everyone to upload the truth that all lives should matter, but I can make everyone see the truth here: all lives indeed matter whether you argue against it or not.

          I hope by advocating kindness first, fairness always, and DUKI in action help dissolving the original sin that we all have, we can solve all the problems that technology and science alone cannot solve. DUKI is not dookie as you think. More on Www.AllLivesMatter.World

          • bsenftner 12 minutes ago

            The All Live Matter "movement" is constructed, engineered and financed by big money white supremacy as a mechanism to shut down all discussions other than theirs.

            • immibis an hour ago

              The phrase "all lives matter" was introduced specifically to counteract and silence "black lives matter". It does not literally mean that all lives matter - it means that black people need to shut up and take what they're given.

              Much like "one people, one nation, one leader" does not advocate for unity but is, in fact, something Adolf Hitler frequently said.

              • kindkang2024 2 minutes ago

                I understand that there were many cases where people said "all lives matter" with the purpose of trying to silence BLM voices, and I judge that as an evil will and condemn it. My point is that at least some people who say "all lives matter" don't have that kind of evil intent. To condemn all uses of "all lives matter" is also an evil here.

                Also, regarding the advocacy calling for peace, kindness, and fairness, and envisioned to build the world on blockchain, which should be totally decentralized, I only feel goodness and don’t see evil there. Enlighten me if you find there is evil in it.

                Maybe we all should not focus on the symbols only; it's the will behind the symbol that matters most. But even reasoning symbolically, I still do not see the conflicts here. All lives can't matter unless Black Lives Matter, can they? Maybe what we really want to condemn is the evil will behind all these symbols usage, not the original meaning of these symbols.

                Believe it or not, actually the AllLivesMatterWorld calling for peace was partly inspired by BLM, and I have a thanks letter for that. But considering that harsh reality, I sincerely hope that we could feel the will behind the advocacy to make a righteous judgment, not just associate it with some evil usages of symbols and believe we got it right. Because all symbols can be used by evil hidden in it, not just All Lives Matter but also Black Lives Matter.

            • psychoslave 2 hours ago

              > A lot of problems do. But sometimes the problem is people related. You can work around those problems with technology but you can't fix them.

              It depends a lot on what is encompassed in the considered definition of technology. Education and language can certainly be taken as technologies, under certain perspectives at least. And addressing individual behaviors with undesirable social consequences is something that definitely can be solved with appropriate educational "technologies".

              In my current perspective, the most weighted factor between a technology and an innate individual trait is how transferable it is.

              >We're not going to turn into Luddites and competition continuously drives us to do better.

              It all depends on which values we endorse and thus how we deem something "better". On global scale, there was probably never so much passive aggressive competition within humankind (we also never been so numerous to be fair), and its results on global biosphere are to say the least completely disastrous.

              >But it can be very effective sometimes.

              Sure but working on improving effectiveness means nothing. If we try to enhance efficiency of gaz chambers, we are clearly bringing only more evil to the world. Efficacy is meaningless without a kind and generous purpose.

              I could almost say "science sans conscience n’est que ruine de l’âme", but Rabelais actually wasn’t willing to say what it is generally thought it means nowadays. https://theconversation.com/science-sans-conscience-nest-que...

            • mettamage 2 hours ago

              My gripe with titles like this is that problems as a class are much bigger than technical problems.

              For example:

              Many people on HN seems to have dating problems. Whenever an article on dating is in the front page, I see those issues in the comments. In most cases, that class of problem requires people to work on themselves. Online dating for sure as hell isn’t solving it.

              Some of my comments outlined how to solve dating problems for cis heterosexual males. Most of the partial solutions are non-technical in nature. Some are technical if it concerns online dating.

              • consf 31 minutes ago

                A good example

              • airstrike 5 hours ago

                To quote Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 3, Line 87: "No."

                • lccerina 33 minutes ago

                  This!

                  • Phrodo_00 4 hours ago

                    Betteridge's law of headlines strikes again!

                  • kindkang2024 3 hours ago

                    The answer is definitely NO. Technology is always neutral, It has no notion of good and evil. It will never has the ability to fix the problem orchestrated by evil.

                    Worldcoin’s WorldID could be one of the examples,detail below.

                    Without True Authority, WorldID or anything technical achievement Could Become a Hoax: Concerns Amplified by Worldcoin Ban on X

                    Link here: https://kindkang.medium.com/without-true-authority-worldid-c...

                    • kindkang2024 3 hours ago

                      Without True Authority and beliefs in Love, any technical achievements is just make us easy to destroy ourselves. Think nuclear bombs and ww3. Do we still want achieve more advanced science advances and use it build more powerful weapons to kill the “aliens”that Our Will feels.

                    • dartos 28 minutes ago

                      All problems except the problem of too much abstraction

                      • Simon_ORourke 3 hours ago

                        No, say you're on a team of five with two consistently poor performers that not only fail to achieve limited tasks, but constantly draw off support from the rest of the team.

                        There's no technical fix for that. The nuclear option of getting them sacked and replaced dents team morale and probably wouldn't let the team back up to speed for three or four months with all the onboarding required.

                        Coaching in areas where they should be self-learning consumes the focus of others on the team or in the business.

                        Ignoring them and ploughing ahead without assigning them work drastically reduces team effectiveness.

                        Not much in the way of a technical fix in sight - unless copilot suddenly becomes really really good.

                        • immibis an hour ago

                          Putting them on gardening leave is a technical fix to that.

                          • gonzo41 2 hours ago

                            IDK about coaching. If you've ever been seriously coached for performance (think sports) an effective coach will look you dead in the eye and tell you you're terrible. At work, in technical fields, everyone likes to be liked and shy's away from being a bastard to their peers and reports. Especially if the conditions aren't that great and killing yourself for your current gig isn't giving you windfall returns.

                            Giving people the tools to succeed or at least being clear to them that they and need to do better is a managers job.

                          • Terr_ 3 hours ago

                            I suspect there's a correlation between how likely someone is to answer "yes" and how recently they entered the software engineering workforce. At any rate, it's definitely changed for me since starting out.

                            • __MatrixMan__ 3 hours ago

                              It sort of bugs me when people who claim that a problem cannot be solved with technology act like that problem was caused by technology. You get both or neither, you can't have just one.

                              • Terr_ 2 hours ago

                                I'm with you in the first sentence, but the second doesn't make sense to me.

                                All 4 combinations of (not-)solved-by-tech and (not-)caused-by-tech are possible.

                                • asmor 3 hours ago

                                  Of course you can. Technology can irreversibly change societies.

                                  Do you have a technical solution to the potential for mutually assured destruction through nuclear weapons?

                                • its_bbq 3 hours ago

                                  And the not asked often enough corollary: just because there exists a technical solution to a problem, does that mean it's the right solution?

                                  • trilbyglens 2 hours ago

                                    Our proclivity to believing that all problems have technical solutions is what has largely lead us into out current cultural cul-de-sac. Namely the idea that AI will somehow "save us". I can't think of anything more patently stupid. As stated here in another comment, technology is neutral, but is also a multiplier of force. Many of our technologies simply multiply the force of the already powerful, against the power of the powerless.

                                    • msla 3 hours ago

                                      If nothing else, getting people to accept a technical fix is a social problem.

                                      On the other hand, yes, some social problems have had technical solutions. Remember when “You just can’t get good help these days!” was a truism? It isn’t said as much anymore because the underlying problem was obviated: Time was, middle-class households were becoming unmanageable due to young women no longer wanting to be servants, such as maids; not even the Great Depression could shift the problem. Ultimately, the whole thing was rendered obsolete by the rise of home conveniences such as dishwashers and vacuum cleaners, allowing middle-class women to do their own housework.

                                      Those technical solutions still required a social shift away from expecting maids to be part of any well-run middle-class household, but the technical and the social went hand-in-hand.

                                      https://daily.jstor.org/how-america-tried-and-failed-to-solv...

                                      Side note:

                                      > the Naturalisitic Fallacy that “ought” can be derived from “is.”

                                      What's the name for the fallacy that “is” can be derived from “ought”?

                                      • thaumasiotes 3 hours ago

                                        "Wishful thinking".

                                        Maybe Panglossianism.

                                      • Juliate 4 hours ago

                                        Sometimes what is needed is not to solve or explain, but to acknowledge a problem. To name it. And to have the restraint and patience and trust that its understanding, alone, will take care of most of it.

                                        • rw_panic0_0 3 hours ago

                                          no