• giancarlostoro 10 months ago

    I really want to see more RISC and alternative processor devices, might have to buy one of these to push the drive towards that kind of future where we don't just have only ARM and x86.

  • AdmiralAsshat 10 months ago

    What will the real-world performance of a RISC-V Framework Laptop look like?

    • horsawlarway 10 months ago

      My guess is not fantastic. Here's an older version of the board the article mentioned, along with some benchmarks comparing it an RPI:

      https://www.phoronix.com/review/visionfive2-riscv-benchmarks...

      It performs pretty poorly compared to even equivalently cheap hardware (~100 USD).

      • brucehoult 9 months ago

        Performance depends on microarchiteture, not on price. It performs well compared to Arm boards with similar microarchitecture i.e. Pi 3.

        Price is related to production volume. Raspberry Pi boards sell in large numbers and can thus be priced more keenly while retaining a profit margin.

      • brucehoult 9 months ago

        Using the JH7110 chip they are starting with, somewhere around the last Pentium 3s and PowerPC G4s, but quad core instead of single core. And 64 bit. So maybe the closest comparison is the original Core 2 Duo MacBook Air, which ran at 1.6 MHz (for about 4 seconds before it throttled to 1.2 GHz, which the RISC-V shouldn't do).

        Or, in the Arm world, a bit slower than a Pi 4, but a lot better than a Pi 3 (especially because 8 GB RAM and PCIe/M.2 not 1 GB and SD card).

        I'd expect a 2nd generation motherboard fairly quickly. If it comes in the next six months (Eswin EIC7700) then probably about the speed of a mid-range Core 2 Quad. If mid next year (SG2380) then early i7.

        • camel-cdr 10 months ago

          We already have a bunch of SBCs with the same core, it's similar to the Raspberry Pi 3, probably a bit faster, but slower than the Pi 4.

          See "VisionFive 2" review: https://youtu.be/ykKnc86UtXg

          • vfclists 10 months ago

            This is more up to date even though the board is much older.

          • unethical_ban 10 months ago

            At least as important to me, is what is battery life like? With a 61 Wh battery on what is essentially a mobile processor, can I get 20+ hours of use out of it?

            • brucehoult 9 months ago

              A VisionFive 2 with the same chip uses 3.4 W idle, just with automatic down clocking (I think 375 MHz is the lowest). So that would be potentially 18 hours from a 61 Wh battery. But a laptop also has to drive a screen backlight. On the other hand, maybe the JH7110 has has some lower power sleep mode that was not being used by the software on the VisionFive 2.

          • cherryteastain 10 months ago

            Does RISC-V have ACPI and UEFI?

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            • surprisetalk 10 months ago

              I don't know who Linux is, but I hope he succeeds

              • giancarlostoro 10 months ago

                I think Linux is a pretty cool guy, codes operating system and doesn't afraid of anything.

                • squarefoot 10 months ago

                  Including showing a well deserved middle finger to unfriendly graphics hardware manufacturers. This surely sends a message that warms hearts in the FOSS community, but also closes some doors where money counts, and I wish more people in the professional IT world had the same balls.

                • devsda 10 months ago

                  I too don't know who Linux is or if it's a he but apparently they don't like it if you don't use the right terms[1].

                  [1]. https://docs.kernel.org/process/code-of-conduct.html

                  • gradschool 10 months ago