• eh_why_not 11 hours ago

    Looking past Nature magazine's unnecessarily fancy/clickbait title, the original work's [0] title is "Soft cells and the geometry of seashells".

    [0] https://academic.oup.com/pnasnexus/article/3/9/pgae311/77546...

    • crazygringo 11 hours ago

      It's also funny that while the title uses the baity word "discover", the very first paragraph merely claims the mathematicians "described" the shapes.

      I know that in newspapers and magazines, editors write headlines rather than authors to get clicks, regardless of accuracy. I would have thought Nature would try to be better though...

      • chairmansteve 7 hours ago

        The Nature empire is just another click bait factory.

        • excalibur 9 hours ago

          Reminds me of those stupid Lipozene ads circa 2012:

          "Researchers have now discovered a capsule that helps reduce this 'body fat', and control your weight."

        • A_D_E_P_T 9 hours ago

          It's pretty egregious clickbait for Nature -- more along the lines of what I'd expect from Forbes or a similar outfit.

          I mean, the title is saying that they "discovered" the "new class of shape" featured in this old kitchen tile: https://www.contemporist.com/reasons-why-you-should-get-crea...

          Come on, now. The Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans were surely aware of it, and used similar pointed/curved and lenticular shapes in art and design.

          • gradschoolfail 6 hours ago

            The actual discovery seems to be buried in the midsection

            >…suspected that the actual 3D chamber had no corners at all. “That sounded unbelievable,” says Domokos. “But later we found that she was right.”

            Fwiw its also not obvious from the main paper, you have to look at fig 7 d-e for an idea

            So in this case, i’d place some of the blame on the mathematicians themselves for failure to properly follow up on the bait. (But nature shall not be absolved from holding them to a higher standard)

          • mmooss 10 hours ago

            I should know this in order to post on HN, but I hope someone will explain: In mathematics, what is the difference between a grid, tiling, packing, and tessellation?

            I've read several sources without forming a precise answer. My best guess is that a grid is about the lines formed by and forming tiling polygons; tiling is about polygons (assuming 2-d) filling a space; packing is filling a space with a defined polygon (again if 2-d) whether or not it's filled completely; and tessellation is a form of tiling that requires some kind of periodicity?

            Edit: I forgot 'packing'!

            • thechao 10 hours ago

              A grid is a set of points, described by a basis. A tiling is like puzzle pieces, but with a fixed number of piece "shapes". A packing is a way to stuff a set of things into a space. Tilings and packings are related, but the subfields are asking different questions.

              • abetusk 2 hours ago

                Some of these terms are pretty general and their usage will depend on the user and context. I'll try to define what I think are the most appropriate and common usages of each.

                Grid - usually a regular D-dimensional boxes that are packed, axis aligned. Sometimes used synonymously with a set of points that are also regularly placed and axis aligned. I've used this to describe a (finite) rectangular cuboid (in 3D) but could just as easily be used to describe an infinite set of boxes. As in "Label each cell in the grid an alternating color of red or blue".

                Tiling - A covering of some D-dimensional space from a (finite) set of smaller tiles, with no overlap and no gaps. I've used this to describe higher dimensional spaces but is often used for 2D. As in "A set of Penrose tiles can be used in a plane tiling".

                Packing - Placing a (finite) set of smaller geometric elements into a large area such that the geometry doesn't overlap but gaps are allow. The larger area that can be be finite or infinite. The dimension can be arbitrary. This is often used in context of trying to minimize the gaps within the area being packed. As in "Randomely placing 3D oblong spheroids (aka 'M&Ms') in a box of side length L will yield a sub-optimal packing. Introducing gravity, friction and 'shaking' the box for some amount of time will yield a better packing"

                Tesselation - A synonym for tiling.

                A grid is a tiling. For example a 2d grid is a tiling/tesselation of the plane by boxes.

                • smokel 10 hours ago

                  You may also like: lattice.

                • dexwiz 10 hours ago

                  Tilings cover an entire plane with no gaps or overlaps. Opposed to packings which may leave gaps.

                  • itronitron 9 hours ago

                    I may be wrong but I think 'packing' may allow the shapes to vary in size.

                  • mmooss 10 hours ago

                    > The Heydar Aliyev Center in Baku was designed architect Zaha Hadid, whose buildings use soft cells to avoid or minimize corners.

                    Its large glass front formed by the concrete 'soft cell' is tiled, sadly, with rectangles.

                    • rinvi 21 minutes ago

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                      • jedisct1 10 hours ago

                        Could that have applications to 3D printing?

                        • OutOfHere 9 hours ago

                          In 3D printing you need pieces that can fit together into each other, not merely tile together. It should however be quite interesting to extend the soft cell shapes to also fit together while preserving softness. Perhaps it is possible that the shown saddle-like shape in Fig 6, Panel 4 of the PNAS Nexus article can serve this purpose, but it is not clear how.