• worstspotgain a day ago

    Quick cheatsheet to the CoL crisis: Economic production requires capital and labor.

    If you own stock, you reap the returns from capital.

    If you own real estate, you reap the returns from labor.

    It doesn't have to be this way, of course. At one end of the spectrum, if there were no artificial housing supply restrictions, the returns from labor would go to the laborers themselves.

    At the opposite end, with a fully-controlled housing supply, all the income is extracted. The laborers' rent and rent-derived prices - all locally-provided products and services, a.k.a. non-tradeables - exactly equals their paycheck. Perfect camouflaged servitude.

    • naveen99 a day ago

      Are the housing supply restrictions new since 2008 when the real estate bubble pop revealed an oversupply of housing ?

      • worstspotgain 21 hours ago

        In '08 people walked away from underwater mortgages. The market was already undersupplied and overpriced, the price inflation trajectory expectations were just exuberantly overshot.

        If you want to see a healthy housing market, look at pre-1970, or at (much of) Texas today.

    • floundy a day ago

      The national median home price in the US is $385k according to the most recent Redfin data point on 15 Sep.

      I find it very hard to believe that the "top 20 most expensive micropolitan areas" has 1/3 of the listed areas cheaper than the national median home price.

      • twoodfin 21 hours ago

        The data set being used clocks the median value of an owner-occupied housing unit @ $282k:

        https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-questio...

        • mlhpdx a day ago

          Isn’t the median price going to be heavily weighted by metropolitan prices since that’s where the vast majority of homes are located?

          • chiefalchemist a day ago

            Is that median value, or median price of recent home sales? And then what metric does the article use exaxtly?

            • twoodfin a day ago

              I was curious, too. It’s from the 2022 American Community Survey:

              https://www.census.gov/acs/www/about/why-we-ask-each-questio...

              It’s an owner-reported estimate of a hypothetical sale price.

              • chiefalchemist 13 hours ago

                Having done res real estate for a hot second... Owners *always* over-estimate the value of their homes. They always want to ask for too much. Sure, we hear of occasional up-bidding in hot markets but that's typically the exception.

                • twoodfin 11 hours ago

                  Yes, I suspect if you were doing real research vs. clickbait for Lending Tree you’d find some way to calibrate owner estimates to actual sale prices & adjust for that bias.

          • foundart a day ago
            • mlhpdx a day ago

              Six of the top 50 are in Oregon, which is a bit of a surprise to me. But then again perhaps not — the small town lifestyle here is pretty compelling.

              • chiefalchemist a day ago

                > Vineyard Haven, Mass., Jackson, Wyo., and Breckenridge, Colo., are the towns with the most expensive real estate in the U.S.

                These are resort towns. Rich people buying larger (than typical for the area) 2nd, 3rd or more homes. If such activity is the majority of the sales then numbers are going to skew up.

                That doesn't mean there aren't more reasonably priced homes. It just means those transactions aren't happening as often, that those people aren't leaving, that similarly income'd people are moving in.

                Best I can tell the data being used is biased in a sense and perhaps not reflective of the whole of those markets.

                • m463 a day ago

                  > These are resort towns. ... numbers are going to skew up

                  I would assume real estate prices for ski town would be really different and scale with the walking distance to a chair lift.

                  • theGnuMe 9 hours ago

                    Lol. You know nothing.

                    There are NO reasonably priced homes in Jackson, Wyo. They have to import labor from Idaho Falls.

                  • tomcam a day ago

                    20 most-expensive areas with population 10,000–50,000

                    Vineyard Haven, Mass.

                    Jackson, Wyo.

                    Breckenridge, Colo.

                    Steamboat Springs, Colo.

                    Hailey, Idaho

                    Gardnerville Ranchos, Nev.

                    Hood River, Ore.

                    Ellensburg, Wash.

                    Los Alamos, N.M.

                    Astoria, Ore.

                    Juneau, Alaska

                    Fredericksburg, Texas

                    Kill Devil Hills, N.C.

                    Easton, Md.

                    Sandpoint, Idaho

                    Prineville, Ore.

                    Ketchikan, Alaska

                    Brookings, Ore.

                    Sheridan, Wyo.

                    Montrose, Colo.

                    • nunez 18 hours ago

                      Not surprising, as all of these (except Los Alamos) are vacation towns.