• bragr 8 hours ago

    I feel like this project is a classic example of the README missing a "Why?" section. Not to justify the project, it just makes it hard to evaluate without understanding why they choose implementing a transpiler rather than an embedded WASM VM. Or why not transpile to native assembly? I'm sure they have good reasons but they aren't listed here.

    • kragen 7 hours ago

      i think your questions are implicitly answered in the top page of the readme, but by showing rather than telling

      esp32 and stm32 run three different native assembly instruction sets (though this only supports two of them, the others listed in the first line of the readme are all arm)

      the coremark results seem like an adequate answer to why you'd use a compiler rather than an interpreter

      i do think it would be clearer, though, to explain up front that the module being built is not made of python code, but rather callable from python code

      • 15155 22 minutes ago

        There's no scenario where a bespoke WASM interpreter is slower than MicroPython - though this isn't really Python.

        WASM is an almost "ideal" bytecode target for embedded AOT native compilation as well, though yeah, you'd have to implement all of the backend targets.

        • kristianp 7 hours ago

          > i do think it would be clearer, though, to explain up front that the module being built is not made of python code, but rather callable from python code

          I know nothing about micropython. Do the modules contain bytecode?

          • HALtheWise 6 hours ago

            In this case, the modules contain native code compiled for the target architecture. Micropython has something approximating a dynamic linker to load them.

            https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/develop/natmod.html

          • jononor 6 hours ago

            .mpy modules can contain MicroPython bytecode and/or native machine code. In this case, WASM is compiled (via C) to native code. So the performance is very good, much better than interpreting either MicroPython bytecode or WASM bytecode.

            The conventional way of creating native modules for MicroPython is to write them in C. This work allows to use any language that supports WASM output target.

            • 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 6 hours ago

              Oh, I didn't know MicroPython was fully AOT. I'm surprised, since vanilla Python is typically interpreted with maybe a bytecode cache, right?

              • dbcurtis 4 hours ago

                It isn’t fully AOT, but support for AOT modules is excellent.

        • ronsor 8 hours ago

          Probably at least one of "it's cool" or "I'm already using MicroPython"

        • oulipo 6 hours ago
          • szundi 7 hours ago

            Can we have python compiled to wasm compiled to python compiled to wasm compiled to python - just for obfuscation reasons?

            • cyanydeez 7 hours ago

              Best add a LLM into the loop for real speed.

            • tony-allan 5 hours ago

              A great way to allow code created in another language to be compiled to a MicroPython module and then run in a MicroPython environment.

              These .mpy files are dynamically loaded into MicroPython using a regular python import.